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[Kernel Hapablap]

The truth comes about quite naturally here as it does whenever you attempt to delve into "deeper" religious questions: the harder you look and think about it (rationally), the more you can come to only one conclusion: religion is crap.

 

[Robin]

Have you read something besides the title?

Did you read the rest of the posts in answer to the one you posted?

Not a single doubt there that an infinitely compassionate, merciful, loving and just God would torture people for eternity for not guessing the right religion.

Your poster would have impressed me more if he/she had shown just a little doubt about this.

Note the respondent who tells KingdomSeeker that his post is a slap in God's face.

 

[Robin]

I have long posed this question about hell and wish I could get a decent answer but so far nothing.

If you are saved and go to heaven, how can you reconcile that the people you love will go to an everlasting torment?

I have seen no decent answer to this either.

In Problem of Pain C.S Lewis says something like - you get an eternity of reward and they get an eternity of suffering, but don't worry - it is not the same eternity.

 

[D'rok]

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=89793



Interesting post, isn't it? This is what Christians are supposed to be like. Gandhi said "I like Christ; I don't like Christians", and it seems that this person is different.

I agree. There is something genuinely compassionate there. Seeds of doubt perhaps?

Others, in that thread...not so much

I know it tears me up to think of sisters, a brother, and lifelong friends cast into the lake of fire. Our Father's love for all these same people is profoundly deeper and on levels we cannot comprehend, than ours.

Friends + family + eternal lake of fire = God's love.

 

[Nursefoxfire]

I agree. There is something genuinely compassionate there. Seeds of doubt perhaps?

Others, in that thread...not so much

Speaking of non-compassion:

some cold-hearted poster from RR

When she was 91 she moved in with us. After a year with her I started to pray Lord if she is not going to come to You and go to heaven then just take her out...God for give me.

 

[D'rok]

Speaking of non-compassion:

They're such a lovely bunch. From a slightly saner (and definitely harmless) religious fanatic, who got at least this much right:

"But if you know what life is worth.
You would look for yours on earth."

Bob Marley

 

[JetLeg]

I agree. There is something genuinely compassionate there. Seeds of doubt perhaps?

No. The interesting about this post is that he is compassionate without showing a seed of doubt.

And the negative comments do have a point -

He is like a person that is compassionate towards a very unjust punishment that a judge gave to a relative of his, even ready to take the place of the relative in jail/in the electric chair, but is not ready to say that the judge was unjust!!

 

[JetLeg]

And yes, most of the posters don't share his sentiments. From the same thread.

Originally Posted by His Bride
Jesus paid the price. You never could. Your compassion for your family members is noble and loving, but it is a slap in the face to God. He has given each of us an opportunity. And those of us who are saved have also been given the commission from the Lord Jesus to preach the Word in season and out. That is what we should be doing. The rest belongs in His hands.

I agree totally with this post. This is where faith comes in. We must pray and trust God and not our own feelings...

Bolding mine.

 

[D'rok]

No. The interesting about this post is that he is compassionate without showing a seed of doubt.

And the negative comments do have a point -

He is like a person that is compassionate towards a very unjust punishment that a judge gave to a relative of his, even ready to take the place of the relative in jail/in the electric chair, but is not ready to say that the judge was unjust!!

Hard to read much into a single post. What if he/she doesn't get a good answer from the faithful? I think there is still hope for people like this particular poster.

 

[JetLeg]

Did you read the rest of the posts in answer to the one you posted?

Not a single doubt there that an infinitely compassionate, merciful, loving and just God would torture people for eternity for not guessing the right religion.

Your poster would have impressed me more if he/she had shown just a little doubt about this.

Note the respondent who tells KingdomSeeker that his post is a slap in God's face.

Good point.

 

[Wildy]

I have seen no decent answer to this either.

In Problem of Pain C.S Lewis says something like - you get an eternity of reward and they get an eternity of suffering, but don't worry - it is not the same eternity.

Is that in the sense that my infinity is bigger then your infinity, or that you are divided up and sent to two different eternities?

 

[JetLeg]

I have seen no decent answer to this either.

In Problem of Pain C.S Lewis says something like - you get an eternity of reward and they get an eternity of suffering, but don't worry - it is not the same eternity.

Cool.

So one is infinite like the set of all the positive numbers, and the other one is infinite like the set of all the rational numbers?

 

[Rasmus]

And yes, most of the posters don't share his sentiments. From the same thread.



Bolding mine.

Noble and loving is not what god wants. No surprise there.

 

[technoextreme]

Speaking of non-compassion:

I don't know whether or not you should condemn that person. At that age a person's health can either swing from I don't blame you for wishing the person dead to what are you ****ing insane...

 

[Nursefoxfire]

I don't know whether or not you should condemn that person. At that age a person's health can either swing from I don't blame you for wishing the person dead to what are you ****ing insane...

Actually, she was saying that her Grandma was taking so long to be converted, she was tempted to ask God to kill her off. So this "christian" person wanted to either convert her grandma or have a celestial hit taken out on her life (convert or die!).

That has nothing to do with the woman being a possible old crotchety bag.

 

[Rasmus]

Actually, she was saying that her Grandma was taking so long to be converted, she was tempted to ask God to kill her off. So this "christian" person wanted to either convert her grandma or have a celestial hit taken out on her life (convert or die!).

That has nothing to do with the woman being a possible old crotchety bag.

Sadly, it does make sense:

God ought to know if the old woman will ever convert. And if she won't, why not let her go to hell that much sooner?

The irony is that nobody has to reach the age of 90plus for this argument to work. God should be killing babys left and right (like in the old days) so long as they wouldn't have converted later in life anyway.

 

[slingblade]

I might note that it is also not used within the catholic readings of gospel and epistles in the mass. It would seem to be at least as fringe a belief as Pentecostalism, for example.

I grew up with the idea though. It was everywhere when I was a kid, in Tulsa. It didn't really seem like a fringe idea to me, and Pentecostal churches have been pretty mainstream and very common wherever I've lived.

I guess that means my perceptions are distorted, having grown up in it, like a cultist's kid...but I sure never thought of Pentecostalism or the Rapture as being on the fringe.

 

[Mr Clingford]

I grew up with the idea though. It was everywhere when I was a kid, in Tulsa. It didn't really seem like a fringe idea to me, and Pentecostal churches have been pretty mainstream and very common wherever I've lived.

I guess that means my perceptions are distorted, having grown up in it, like a cultist's kid...but I sure never thought of Pentecostalism or the Rapture as being on the fringe.

My understanding is that Pentecostalism, if you mean a belief in tongues, healings, words of knowledge etc, is widespread.

You are unlucky, though, to have grown up amongst Rapture believers as that is in the minority.

 

[yodaluver28]

Sadly, I never knew that the rapture stuff was fringe until long after I grew up either. That subject gave my brother, sister, and I years of fun and emotionally fulfilling dinner conversation.

Seriously, anybody who believes in that stuff is sick to teach it to young kids. I can't tell you what it meant to me to get an apology from my father for it when I finally told him how it tormented me as a child.

 

[kurious_kathy]

Rapture Ready is a sick, sick site to delve into. Forumites longing for the End Times, posting about how their children cry and long for the end as they can't stand this world anymore... beyond disturbing.

What is truly disturbing is how sin has ruined this world, this is why Christians long for heaven because we know it will be perfect, no more pain, war, suffering or evil of any kind. When you look at this world doesn't it seem obvious that it is perishing? Wars and rumurs of wars just as scripture says but the end drawing nearer each day. (Christiand know this)

The end of the story is Jesus wins, Satan loses but people either listen to Jesus or they are of their father the devil. It truly is black and white when it all comes down to the question,"Where do you want to spend eternity?" People who deny Christ send themselves to hell. This is what Christians are warning you not to do, you have to make that descision yourself.

As for the Op it's a burden we Christians must bear to try to reach our loved ones for Christ but it takes God doing something supernaturally in each person to make them open to receive him. I say we will never stop praying for the lost as we hope God will save them too. If God can save me I know he can save anyone.