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Texas: Secede!!

rwguinn said:
Texans might get so fed up that they push for it, but he (Perry) doesn't think its a good idea= We should start a secession movement?
That's a pretty long reach you got there, Pard.
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So, back to my question, is there any limit on free speech in the U.S. regarding secession style talk?

A simple answer and/or reference will do - thanks.

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MattusMaximus said:
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So, back to my question, is there any limit on free speech in the U.S. regarding secession style talk?

A simple answer and/or reference will do - thanks.

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If you are serious, no, there is no limit on secessionist talk. Other than the risk that people will laugh at you. It's quite common after an election.
 
Brainster said:
If you are serious, no, there is no limit on secessionist talk. Other than the risk that people will laugh at you. It's quite common after an election.
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True. Here in the South, there are plenty of neo-secessionist groups, like the League of the South. Even outside the South--I recall a minor flap about a certain GOP candidate's connection to the Alaska Independence Party.

They're free to blather on to their hearts' content.
 
MattusMaximus said:
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So, back to my question, is there any limit on free speech in the U.S. regarding secession style talk?

A simple answer and/or reference will do - thanks.

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I don't think there are any legal limits on secession speech. It should be protected, as any other political speech.

The U.S. Constitution gives a pretty specific definition of treason. Article III, Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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Talking about secession is not treason.
Actually trying to do it is different.
As to whether secession is legal or not..I think that question was settled in 1865 at a place called Appomatox...
 
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Let 'em go...but I want money back from katrina, Rita, Ike, etc....besides, birthrates being what they are, they won't want to be indipendent in twenty years, they'll want to rejoing Mexico.

One can't help but feel that the Federal Government had more than a small hand in creating the Texas of myth and legend. I can't help recalling Robert Caro's biography of LBJ and his writing about funnelling federal money into big Texas projects that transformed the state from an agricultural back-water to a state with infrastructure, technology and prospects.

As to their brilliant governor...I would just add this, via Howard Kurtz at the Washington post:

Your Governors At Work


As George Bush's successor in Austin refuses to rule out secession, Washington Monthly's Steve Benen does something really mean: he checks the record.

"Texas Gov. Rick Perry's (R) speech Tuesday on his unwillingness to accept the 'oppressive hand' of the federal government has caused something of a stir. It also, as it turns out, offers another example of conservative hypocrisy.

"After all, there's Perry's rhetoric . . . and there's Perry's reality.

"Governor Rick Perry, five days ago: Governor Perry Calls FEMA To Assist With Wildfires

"Governor Rick Perry, last month: Governor Perry Calls For 1,000 Troops To Be Sent To Border

"Governor Rick Perry, five months ago: Governor Perry Requests 18 Month Extension Of Federal Aid For Ike Debris Removal

"Yes, ol' Rick just can't stand that 'oppressive' federal bureaucracy that keeps 'interfering' with Texas, except when he needs its help."


The man's an idiot...
 
headscratcher4 said:
"Yes, ol' Rick just can't stand that 'oppressive' federal bureaucracy that keeps 'interfering' with Texas, except when he needs its help."
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Ol' Rick would claim that, if Texas didn't have to keep paying federal taxes, it could afford to do all these things itself without federal aid.
 
Madalch said:
Ol' Rick would claim that, if Texas didn't have to keep paying federal taxes, it could afford to do all these things itself without federal aid.
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Well, it would be a nice try, but wrong. Modern Texas is essentailly a creation of the federal government. Up until the New Deal it was essenatially an agricultural backwater, during the New Deal, powerful Texas reps. in D.C. won tons of infrastructure projects and federal spending in the state...not to mention the coddling of the Oil industry (recall the Oil Depletion Allowance), and created modern Texas.

Without Roosevelt and Johnson, Texas would be Northern Mexico or Mississippi with more Cowboy hats.

BTW: I highly recommend Robert Caro's first volume of his Biography of Johnson, not only is it an extraordinarilly well told tale, it also lays out the transformation of Texas by a combination of big oil, buying Congress and federal government intervention in the economy.
 
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headscratcher4 said:
Washington Monthly's Steve Benen does something really mean: he checks the record.
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Benen's a hack. Perry doesn't deny that there are areas where the Federal Government does a better job than the states, and the three examples chosen (disaster relief, defense, disaster relief) are areas where there is broad agreement that the feds are better equipped to handle. The Tenth Amendment argument is not invalid or ridiculous; talk of secession over it is.
 
Madalch said:
We also had a few teams in the NFL at some point in the 1990s, I think- wasn't paying enough attention to know how long that lasted.
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No we didn't. The Baltimore Colts joined the CFL and won in their first season.

We thought, well, maybe its best we segregate the americans from the Canadians if we wanna keep the Grey Cup in a Canadian city..:)

The only stuff about Canada in the NFL has happened recently, w/ the Bills doing a few games in Toronto.

And there's talk of a possible Toronto franchise but its likely just talk.

RE: Texas secession - are they really thinking it through? Has anyone done an economic study as to the feasibility of secession and the consequences for day to day life there?
 
I also wish someone on the right would explain to me why Rick Perry (and the teabagger's) hate for America as expressed in his successionist sentiment is qualitatively any better, different than that of Rev. Wright? Both are cursing America for what it is and how it has failed, in their view, but Rev. Wright is somehow a demogagic leftest and Perry a patriot? Hypocracy knows no bounds.
 
headscratcher4 said:
I also wish someone on the right would explain to me why Rick Perry (and the teabagger's) hate for America as expressed in his successionist sentiment is qualitatively any better, different than that of Rev. Wright? Both are cursing America for what it is and how it has failed, in their view, but Rev. Wright is somehow a demogagic leftest and Perry a patriot? Hypocracy knows no bounds.
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excellent point.

Why do they hate America so much??
 
headscratcher4 said:
I also wish someone on the right would explain to me why Rick Perry (and the teabagger's) hate for America as expressed in his successionist sentiment is qualitatively any better, different than that of Rev. Wright? Both are cursing America for what it is and how it has failed, in their view, but Rev. Wright is somehow a demogagic leftest and Perry a patriot? Hypocracy knows no bounds.
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I see nobody on the right saying that Perry is a patriot for his secessionist (not successionist) sentiment. Indeed, Allahpundit at Hot Air Michelle Malkin's video blog denounced his talk:

I snarked yesterday that the left would get hysterical and treat his statement on the Tenth Amendment as a veiled call for secession, so I’m obliged to eat my words today. Simply awful, whether as a convenient distraction for the media from the tea parties or as a brush for them to tar the protests as motivated by crackpot neo-confederate sentiments. Even Drudge, who’s obviously sympathetic to the rallies, is leading with the story right now. In the red scare font, no less.
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I think he's an idiot and I hope KBH cleans his clock.
 
headscratcher4 said:
I also wish someone on the right would explain to me why Rick Perry (and the teabagger's) hate for America as expressed in his successionist sentiment is qualitatively any better, different than that of Rev. Wright? Both are cursing America for what it is and how it has failed, in their view, but Rev. Wright is somehow a demogagic leftest and Perry a patriot? Hypocracy knows no bounds.
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If somebody painted the left as broadly as you are painting the right, you would be the first to yell.
 
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