neltana wrote:
Is it your contention that I couldn't, by bringing the left figure's right arm in towards the body slightly and/or the right figure's right arm slightly back create a mismatch almost identical to Mangler's.
I haven't made that
specific claim, neltana.
I'm not saying that something to that effect
couldn't be produced by moving the skeletons into different positions.
But...looking again at mangler's explanation (his animated-gif) of how Patty's upper arm bone
could be manipulated to match the shorter length of Bob's upper arm bone...
....what I find
very interesting, is precisely the manner in which mangler presented this animated-gif, in his post, #1072...
sweaty,
I rotate the Humerus back and then out from the body, I then bend the Radius and Ulna to fit (check below for final result), know that if it’s a costume there’s all kinds of wiggle room for joint placement.
I’m guessing that I could tweak BH (with a different method) and get pretty much the same results.
Sweaty it’s a hack/eye-balled, this stuff is not that complicated, you’re brain is just wired to see what you want to believe.
Notice his precise wording....not "
I rotated".....but, instead...
I rotate the Humerus back...
and:
I’m guessing that I could tweak BH...
Mangler did not present the above animated-gif as
how he created these 2 skeletons...
...but rather, as
how it could be done.
WHY is that?
Why didn't mangler simply post a short clip, showing the
continuous movement of Patty's upper arm, into the position seen in Bob's image?
Isn't that how these two skeletal positions were originally generated??
The animated-gif that he did post is clearly not part of any such continuous animated-gif.
To me, this raises a red flag of suspicion as to the veracity of mangler's original skeletal comparison.
Another thing that I noticed about mangler's skeleton's, is that on Patty's image....Fric's fingertips do not reach all the way down to the ends of Patty's fingertips......while, on Bob's image, Frac's fingertips seem to extend
beyond Bob's fingertips.
A nice way to "make-up" for
some of the
difference in Patty's and Bob's arm lengths.
If I did that and presented the result, would you accept that Mangler used the same skeleton in his two images?
No.
I don't think that mangler's original skeletal overlay should be "accepted" as
anything of meaning....until it can be demonstrated that the skeleton over Patty can be moved, continuously, into the
exact position, with the exact same bone lengths that it's seen in, over Bob's image.
As 'standard practice' in any scientific analysis...it should also be
replicable by others.
And.....at that point, it would
then need to be demonstrated that Bob's arm is actually being held
away from his body, to the degree needed to produce the supposed shortening of his arm.
(It's nice that the effect 'could be' produced by skeletons...but if Bob's arm isn't being held away from his body, in any images, then what does it even matter?
)
In post #1065, I posted 2 images of Bob, a front view and a side view, which demonstrate that his arm is, in fact, hanging down
very close to the side of his body.
Thereby showing there's no reason to think that Bob's arm is
appearing shorter than it actually is.
