Molten Steel

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Christopher7 said:
Your denial is based on your lack of knowledge of thermite technology. You could not possibly know what technology the military had because they don't make that information public.
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I know what technology the military has. I am also fully aware of how it is used and in what circumstance!

Cutting or shaped charges DO NOT leave a fairy tale clean signature cut as you CTers like to portray - fact! Dumb isnt the word!

Thermite does not behave in the way all you CTers try to show - fact!

Military explosives are not a secret! C4 & PE4 are the typical uses throughout NATO! Semtex was often used by the Warsaw pact.

Thermite, due to its composition, storage, unreliability and difficulty in initiation has limited military use if any at all, unless you want to waste your time installing the quantities required, want a relatively slow execution of mission and want to draw attention to whats happening with the worlds biggest roman candle show! It behaves like phospherous! The towers would be glowing and sizzling!

But you already know all that dont you C7.
 
BigAl said:
So which was it? The core columns with tons of material per column or the exterior beams which would make the tower burn like a highway flare and be visible for a a 25 mile radius.
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Your denial is based on your lack of knowledge of thermite technology.

And nobody saw any themite and nobody heard any man-made explosive demolition.
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Wrong!

Numerous first responders and others heard explosions. Some describe flashes of light.

You will say what they all heard and saw could have been something else but you will not admit that what they all heard and saw could have been explosives and thermite being set off.
 
Jackanory said:
Please read what you wrote and analyse it.

Just to clarify - You imply that an aircraft hits a building with such precision that it intentionaly misses the pre positioned thermite cutting charges. The resulting fires also bypass these pre positioned thermite cutting charges. These missed and carefully timed thermite charges then kick in and cut pre selected columns, whilst fires rage, just enough to hold up the top section then the other columns, which the aircraft also intentionally missed, are taken out simultaneously (with thermite i assume).
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And i am still waiting for you to clarify the above!
 
Christopher7 said:
No. The exact color in the photo is irrelevant. It's just a single moment in time.

You totally ignored what I said.

The falling molten steel was pale yellow to orange in the videos.

Orange to pale yellow is 2100-2700[FONT="]°[/FONT]F
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So you claim the exact colour is irrelevant yet make claims based on that colour. Can you see the fault in your logic?

Secondly you continue to claim that the material was steel and then use the colour chart to determine the temperature. That is an arse about face way of doing things.

You have been told a thousand time that you must first ascertain what the material is before even deciding that you will use a colour/temperature chart to estimate the temperature. You must then decide whether the charts will give a reasonably accurate estimation based upon the charts intended usage and the conditions you intend to use it in.
 
Christopher7 said:
:D It has been documented that the trade towers were made of steel.
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Amongst other materials.


Christopher7 said:
NIST has acknowledged that the videos show molten metal.
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OK, fair enough, but the phrase "molten metal" will cover hundreds if not a few thousand metals and alloys.

Christopher7 said:
Their claim that it was aluminum mixed with organic material is unprecedented and has no scientific basis.
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You have been shown time and time again that this claim is false. Please read and digest what has been put forward to you in scientific papers rather than refusing to read or ignoring them. NIST don't actually claim, they state as far as I can recall, that the material is most likely aluminium [alloy] with organic materials.

Liquid Aluminium (alloy) reacts very violently with most surrounding materials. It is going to be contaminated with whatever it touches or whatever diffuses into it as it flows.

NIST make a claim of probability. Having seen the additional information regarding the UPS equipment on that particular floor it's even more likely that this is the cause of the material and NIST are/were wrong. My money is on the UPS.
 
Just to clarify - You imply that an aircraft hits a building with such precision that it intentionaly misses the pre positioned thermite cutting charges. The resulting fires also bypass these pre positioned thermite cutting charges.
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No

These missed and carefully timed thermite charges then kick in and cut pre selected columns,
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Again your denial is based on your lack of knowledge of demolition technology. The detonations could be remotely controlled in any sequence desired.
 
Christopher7 said:
Of course dear. We should accept the word of an anonymous poster. :rolleyes:
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Is that not what you are?

I am willing and prepared to send any credentials direct to Lisa Simpson (moderator at jref) if required. I can show my qualifications and experiences with military and civil grade explosives. I can also show my credentials from within the aircraft manufacturing industry if required.

I have nothing to hide. I come here with knowledge and physical hands on experience of many things related to many topics of 911. Do you?

Can you show any credentials that back up or support any knowledge base for your deluded theories?
 
Toke said:
I wonder, if it was molten steel pouring out of the corner of the building, what was holding up the upper floors.

The supporting collums cannot both hold up the building and pour out the window.
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This is also an excellent point that is missed by truthers.

If the liquid pouring out is liquid steel from the very metal that is holding the building up then how are we able to witness this material? Surely the building would collapse as soon as the steel members where cut through by thermite/mate?

Whilst I understand that thermite in sufficient quantities doesn't burn all at once but over a period of approximately 2 minutes, why don't we see bright flashes from the lower parts of the tower as the thermite burns and also liquid steel flowing from other parts of both buildings? Surely liquid steel is hot enough to go through glass and spill out? Why only one building and not the other?
 
funk de fino said:
C7

is this melted steel?

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I'm ever so intrigued by this! I can understand the thought behind posting it as a demonstration of showing how the eye can be deceived especially when one has no experience of the item/component/scenario shown. What looks like melting to the untrained eye turns out to be something different.

TBH I think this is a bit harsh on everyone including C7, because there are no dimensions, no component specifications, no material specs, no scale, no alternative views, etc.

But that of course is the point. Without the additional information you can only point out what parts of the photo looks like based upon your own world experiences and what you have been told (whether it's true or not) about the item.

I think it would be beneficial if I were to describe that photograph just as I would do in a professional report to show C7 how one goes about the failure investigation process.
 
Jackanory said:
Is that not what you are?
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Yes.

I am willing and prepared to send any credentials direct to Lisa Simpson (moderator at jref) if required. I can show my qualifications and experiences with military and civil grade explosives. I can also show my credentials from within the aircraft manufacturing industry if required.
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We still have to take the word of a denier on a denier forum. People should not believe anonymous posters, they should believe the numerous eyewitnesses.
 
Christopher7 said:
You are trying to infer that temperature/color charts are useless. The fact that they exist proves their utility.
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But only when you know what material you are looking at. You have no idea what material you are looking at.

Note how I use the word material. To do otherwise without physical conformation is to just guess. You are caught in a chicken and egg situation.

What came first, the material or the colour chart?
 
Christopher7 said:
Yes.

We still have to take the word of a denier on a denier forum. People should not believe anonymous posters, they should believe the numerous eyewitnesses.
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I am prepared to become known to Lisa or any other Mod on here! What have i denied? Please list your witnesses, show the testimony!
 
Christopher7 said:
Your denial is based on your lack of knowledge of thermite technology.

Wrong!

Numerous first responders and others heard explosions. Some describe flashes of light.

You will say what they all heard and saw could have been something else but you will not admit that what they all heard and saw could have been explosives and thermite being set off.
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So it was secret thermite *and* demolition explosives and nobody noticed?
 
Christopher7 said:
It is not necessary for me to know more than thermite melts steel and is the only thing that could have melted the steel seen falling from the south tower and in the debris pile.

You cannot deny this so you will switch to denial #2 "There was no molten steel."
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Only if WTC was horizontal. At least that would help.
 
BigAl said:
So it was secret thermite *and* demolition explosives and nobody noticed?
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Yep. All planted to jump out the way of that aircraft and timed to go off without making a sound. Oh - and with numerous pauses whilst the top section levitated whilst columns 45 to 79 took a little longer. Stuburn that thermite stuff ya know:rolleyes:
 
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