Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[six7s]

... Geisler shows plenty of logical thinking in the above website and his books.

Please, do cite one example

Thank you in advance

 

[arthwollipot]

http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...Geisler+10+reasons&client=firefox-a#PPA275,M1As long as people keep asking the same question, I've got he right to give the same answer. That is my answer, and that will always be my answer, if you don't like it. so be it.

The end. Argument over. I suppose we can close the thread now.


...please?

 

[DOC]

I'd actually be really surprised if any of the archaeologists I know used the Bible.

And I wouldn't be surprised if archaeologists still use it considering that one famous archaeologist I mentioned earlier became a Christian after studying all the detailed information in the Gospel of Luke. He also called Luke a great historian.

 

[arthwollipot]

And I wouldn't be surprised if archaeologists still use it considering that one famous archaeologist I mentioned earlier became a Christian after studying all the detailed information in the Gospel of Luke. He also called Luke a great historian.

Well, since the archaeologists I know are involved with the investigation of indigenous Australian traditional land, I just don't see how the Bible would be relevant to their work. Given that both of them are pagan and all.

 

[DOC]

Please, do cite one example

Thank you in advance

It is logical to conclude that the physician Luke (Author of the Gospel of Luke) was a first rate historian and Geisler lists around 78 highly detailed facts that Luke got completely right.

He also lists a large number of highly detailed facts that the apostle John got completely right.

 

[six7s]

It is logical to conclude that the physician Luke (Author of the Gospel of Luke) was a first rate historian and Geisler lists around 78 highly detailed facts that Luke got completely right.

He also lists a large number of highly detailed facts that the apostle John got completely right.

I did not ask for a delusion-enforcing description of yet more absurdly inane arguments from stupidity

I asked for a citation of Geisler applying logic... got any? Even one will do

Thank you in advance

 

[zooterkin]

As long as people keep asking the same question, I've got he right to give the same answer. That is my answer, and that will always be my answer, if you don't like it. so be it.

Like a child putting his fingers in his ears...

There is a difference between a subjective opinion and a logical analization of many concrete facts.

"Analization"; is that pulling arguments out of, as you Americans say, your butt?

Logical thinking is not subjective and Geisler shows plenty of logical thinking in the above website and his books.

Judging by your posts and his website, you and Geisler wouldn't know a logical argument if it bit you on the place your arguments come from.

 

[paximperium]

OK, if you want to believe that the many people who walked into the gas chambers after being told they were going to get a shower knew what was going to happen that is your right.

No that is fact. Refusal to believe in history and reality is NOT YOUR right.

And also if you want to believe that I would assume hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people got on railway box cars knowing full well they were going to their deaths that is your right also.

Which continues to be complete and utter nonsense. People got onto the rail cars because they were starved and people with guns were asking them "nicely". It is NOT YOUR RIGHT to make up lies.

 

[paximperium]

Here is a simple challenge DOC.
Let's get back to the OP shall we?

Bring your BEST evidence that support that the New Testament writers told the truth about the Resurrection.

Just one; not 2, not 5 or ten. ONE. Once we are done analyzing your one claim we can move on to the next one.

Does that sound fair to you?

 

[wollery]

OK, if you want to believe that the many people who walked into the gas chambers after being told they were going to get a shower knew what was going to happen that is your right.

And also if you want to believe that I would assume hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people got on railway box cars knowing full well they were going to their deaths that is your right also.

What would you do if you were starving, weak, and surrounded by hundreds of well trained soldiers with machine guns?

Perhaps you missed the part of my post where I pointed out that the original point of the camps was forced labour. The camps were started in the mid 30s, but the killings didn't begin until the 40s. Many people believed it, largely because it actually true to begin with.

You also, probably, have no idea about how the killings were conducted. The vast majority of gas chamber killings took place on arrival at the extermination camps. People were herded off the trains, having come from forced labour camps, and told they were going to be given a shower to prevent the spread of disease. This was a common practice on arrival at the labour camps, where people would be loaded into mass shower rooms and sprayed with delousing agents, then soapy water, so it isn't hard to see how they would have believed that this was going to be just another unpleasant experience, not their final one.

Even so there were several revolts in concentration camps. This website gives details of many of them.

It would help greatly if you would stop making uneducated statements based on your own personal feelings, and actually educate yourself on the subject. I doubt you will, but I live in hope.

 

[zooterkin]

It would help greatly if you would stop making uneducated statements based on your own personal feelings, and actually educate yourself on the subject.

In all his thousands of posts, have you seen any sign that DOC is willing to learn, even about the bible (which he believes all of without having read it)?

 

[DOC]

I did not ask for a delusion-enforcing description of yet more absurdly inane arguments from stupidity

I asked for a citation of Geisler applying logic... got any? Even one will do

Thank you in advance

So are you saying that when Geisler lists these 87 highly detailed facts written by the physician Luke that have all been proven correct by historical and archaelogical research that Geisler is not producing "evidence" that the NT writer Luke was a first rate historian as others have claimed.

The 87 facts can be seen on pages 256-260 of the website below.

http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...Geisler+10+reasons&client=firefox-a#PPA256,M1

The same can be said for the 56 highly detailed facts John got right in the Gospel of John which can be seen on pages 263-268 of the above site.

 

[zooterkin]

So are you saying that when Geisler lists these 87 highly detailed facts written by the physician Luke that have all been proven correct by historical and archaelogical research that Geisler is not producing "evidence" that the NT writer Luke was a first rate historian as others have claimed.

Yes.

The 87 facts can be seen on pages 256-260 of the website below.

http://books.google.com/books?id=PC...Geisler+10+reasons&client=firefox-a#PPA256,M1

No, they can't. That link is to an advert for the book, not the book itself.

The same can be said for the 56 highly detailed facts John got right in the Gospel of John which can be seen on pages 263-268 of the above site.

Indeed it can.

 

[paximperium]

Here is a simple challenge DOC.
Let's get back to the OP shall we?

Bring your BEST evidence that support that the New Testament writers told the truth about the Resurrection.

Just one; not 2, not 5 or ten. ONE. Once we are done analyzing your one claim we can move on to the next one.

Does that sound fair to you?

So DOC, are you up for this challenge? Yes or no?

 

[paximperium]

So are you saying that when Geisler lists these 87 highly detailed facts written by the physician Luke that have all been proven correct by historical and archaelogical research that Geisler is not producing "evidence" that the NT writer Luke was a first rate historian as others have claimed.

The Statue of Liberty is located in New York City while the F-22 Raptor can supercruise up to mach 2 similar to Blue fairies who are the saviors of planet Mabu Mabu.

Tell me what is wrong with that logic.

 

[DOC]

Cmon DOC, address the slavery thing. You gave 3 choices:

1) Kill them
2) Let them go free
3) make them slaves

No matter what the context, the least evil and most "Christian" answer is number 2. Your response?

We are discussing my contention that in the brutal economic, political, and military, environment of biblical times the fight for the abolition of slavery would have done more harm than good. I go into depth about this in post 2705.

Your question is not totally about what we were talking about. But if you tell me all the details of this battle and why a Christian army is fighting it and who they are fighting. I will be able to answer your question.

 

[wollery]

DOC, here's another book that contains hundreds of historically accurate facts.

Is all of it historically accurate?

 

[DOC]

No, they can't. That link is to an advert for the book, not the book itself.

I have no problem finding the 87 facts at the website, you have to wait for the download and then hit the page arrows .to pages 256-260 and pages 263-268.

 

[paximperium]

We are discussing my contention that in the brutal economic, political, and military, environment of biblical times the fight for the abolition of slavery would have done more harm than good. I go into depth about this in post 2705.

Your question is not totally about what we were talking about. But if you tell me all the details of this battle and why a Christian army is fighting it and who they are fighting. I will be able to answer your question.

So you lied.

I'll try to get to this within a week.

 

[DOC]

Here is a simple challenge DOC.
Let's get back to the OP shall we?

Bring your BEST evidence that support that the New Testament writers told the truth about the Resurrection.

Just one; not 2, not 5 or ten. ONE. Once we are done analyzing your one claim we can move on to the next one.

Does that sound fair to you?

I've already brought in a website about evidence for the resurrection.

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html

But the greatest evidence of all might be that we're here talking about it right now 2000 years later. The "peaceful" growth of Christianity into the world's #1 religion without miracles during Christ's life could be considered a miracle in itself.