www.StopVisionFromFeeling.com - Volunteers Needed

[Uncayimmy]

Well, I finally decided to pull the trigger and put www.StopVisionFromFeeling.com on-line. I am looking for a few volunteer bloggers to write some articles to put up. They can be copies of things you have written here or new material.

I also created a discussion forum should folks decide to take their VFF discussions somewhere else seeing how one thread here was closed and another moved to moderated status. It looks like VFF 2 is probably headed that direction as well.

It seems that Anita Ikonen is just not going to let her claims drop. If anything she has recently sought even more attention for her unfounded claims. My website will be there ready to examine them objectively.

 

[Jackalgirl]

Make sure you get all of the other versions of the domain (.org, .net). I'll gladly shoot you some money to pay you back if that's necessary.

Edited to add: Also: I'd gladly volunteer, only I dropped out of the original thread out of utter disgust. I'd be happy to help edit stuff & format stuff, tho, if that's at all useful.

 

[tsig]

Well, I finally decided to pull the trigger and put www.StopVisionFromFeeling.com on-line. I am looking for a few volunteer bloggers to write some articles to put up. They can be copies of things you have written here or new material.

I also created a discussion forum should folks decide to take their VFF discussions somewhere else seeing how one thread here was closed and another moved to moderated status. It looks like VFF 2 is probably headed that direction as well.

It seems that Anita Ikonen is just not going to let her claims drop. If anything she has recently sought even more attention for her unfounded claims. My website will be there ready to examine them objectively.

Good to see some action taken. I hope the mods don't give you any grief about this.

 

[Jonquill]

Seems a bit harsh, she may be attention seeking and time wasting, but she's not charging money or setting up a VfF healing clinic, is she really any worse than all the rest of the woos that believe ridiculous things?

 

[tsig]

Seems a bit harsh, she may be attention seeking and time wasting, but she's not charging money or setting up a VfF healing clinic, is she really any worse than all the rest of the woos that believe ridiculous things?

Step on them while they're small.

 

[lionking]

Step on them while they're small.

In the absence of a smilie, I assume you are serious.

Very sad.

 

[Jackalgirl]

Seems a bit harsh, she may be attention seeking and time wasting, but she's not charging money or setting up a VfF healing clinic, is she really any worse than all the rest of the woos that believe ridiculous things?

By her own admission, she is diagnosing people. So she is, in fact, putting ideas into people's heads about their health that she has no business putting in there. Furthermore, when asked whether a failure of her test would change her mind about her supposed ability, she stated in so many words that no test whatsoever would ever change her mind. She's convinced she has super powers, and no amount of evidence will ever convince her otherwise. This is all from the first part of the moderated VisionFromFeeling thread.

Unless, of course, she changed her mind somewhere along the line further in the chain of posts that is the original VisionFromFeeling thread, that is. I do admit that I stopped reading the thread shortly after she made this statement. I feel pretty strongly about people using supposed super powers in a medical capacity (viz., it is wrong). If she has changed her mind, I apologize and would appreciate it if someone would point it out; on the other hand, if she had changed her mind, I doubt that UncaYimmy would have suggested a www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com domain.

 

[lionking]

All you know about VVF is what she posts here and on her website. She's not Sylvia Brown. This website is bullying and the forum should have nothing to do with promoting it.

 

[Ernie M]

I agree with the obsessed bit, not the needing help bit so much.

I think UncaYimmy did a good job on his StopVisionFromFeeling.com Web site. It is clear and concise, qualities which Anita's writing doesn't possess.

My impression is that UncaYimmy is very familiar with Anita, her claims, and her tactics. That is why UncaYimmy was able to produce the "Quick Links," to other Web sites. I'd say he and other JREF Forum members spent a lot of time trying to help Anita verify her claims to be able to proceed with the MDC, and all of their efforts, all of their help- yielded no results. If I spent all that time and effort for nothing, I'd feel burned.

So, I feel UncaYimmy is justified in producing his Web site about Anita, and is not obsessive to the point where it's a problem, leading to visits with a mental health professional.

 

[Jonquill]

How is Anita diagnosing people any different from your great aunt saying "You're looking a bit peeky Dear, I think you're coming down with whooping cough."

Claiming to be a doctor or something that you're not is one thing, some silly chook telling you their opinion of what your health is like is another.

 

[lionking]

I think UncaYimmy did a good job on his StopVisionFromFeeling.com Web site. It is clear and concise, qualities which Anita's writing doesn't possess.

My impression is that UncaYimmy is very familiar with Anita, her claims, and her tactics. That is why UncaYimmy was able to produce the "Quick Links," to other Web sites. I'd say he and other JREF Forum members spent a lot of time trying to help Anita verify her claims to be able to proceed with the MDC, and all of their efforts, all of their help- yielded no results. If I spent all that time and effort for nothing, I'd feel burned.

So, I feel UncaYimmy is justified in producing his Web site about Anita, and is not obsessive to the point where it's a problem, leading to visits with a mental health professional.

How are the objectives of the JREF furthered by promoting a website like this? VFF is most likely deluded, in my opinion. There is no evidence she is ripping people off like Browne or Geller. As I said, I believe this is an attempt to bully a member.

 

[Ernie M]

How are the objectives of the JREF furthered by promoting a website like this? VFF is most likely deluded, in my opinion. There is no evidence she is ripping people off like Browne or Geller. As I said, I believe this is an attempt to bully a member.

Oh, this is hard to say, because in a way I agree with you.

I don't think the "objectives" of the JREF are necessarily furthered by "promoting" UncaYimmy's Web site. But to make the distinction, the disclaimer at the bottom of the Forum pages states, "Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors." While I can't speak for the JREF, I can say they are not "promoting" UncaYimmy's Web site, but by running the Forum, it gives him and others a platform to speak from.

 

[Akhenaten]

How are the objectives of the JREF furthered by promoting a website like this? VFF is most likely deluded, in my opinion. There is no evidence she is ripping people off like Browne or Geller. As I said, I believe this is an attempt to bully a member.

I don't know if it's fair to say that the JREF is promoting UncYimmy's site. Many of us have used the forum to link to our own sites. It would be equally unfair to say that the JREF is promoting the sites linked in the advertisements that some people see here.


It seems to me that UncaYimmy is at least using his own resources to do what VfF has been using this forum to do. Can't complain about that.


One last thing. UncaYimmy has decided to run a counter-site to visionfromfeeling.com. The fact that the author of that site also happens to be a member of the JREF Forum does not confer immunity from this happening.


Cheers mate. No offence intended and I hope you know that I respect your opinion.


Dave

 

[lionking]

Many of us have used the forum to link to our own sites.
Dave

I wouldn't have as many problems if it was a link in a sig line or something, but to start a thread about a website disparaging another member is going too far IMO.

 

[Akhenaten]

I actually think that this is a bit like shooting an ant with an elephant gun. If a web site was started for every nut case on the internet, then there would not be enough bandwidth on the entire planet to contain it all.

Norm

I think we should make the bandwidth. It sounds like a useful service and it would be a great read.


To be serious though, most of the fruit loops out there aren't worth the trouble, but some are. Sylvia Browne is an example that's been mentioned already. How many people would prefer that she'd been shut down before she got going?

 

[Uncayimmy]

Seems a bit harsh, she may be attention seeking and time wasting, but she's not charging money or setting up a VfF healing clinic, is she really any worse than all the rest of the woos that believe ridiculous things?

Harsh...that's an interesting choice of words. She puts out her opinion, and I put out my opinion. She creates a website, and I create one in rebuttal. How is that harsh?

As for whether she is "worse" than other woos, I don't look at it as a competition.

 

[Akhenaten]

I wouldn't have as many problems if it was a link in a sig line or something, but to start a thread about a website disparaging another member is going too far IMO.

Fair enough and thank you. I wouldn't feel as nervous posting here if I didn't agree with you at least in some degree.

Having said that, what's done is done, and I'm not ashamed to say that I support UncaYimmy.

If nothing else, I believe that the forum will benefit from a reduction in Noise™

 

[Jonquill]

Harsh...that's an interesting choice of words. She puts out her opinion, and I put out my opinion. She creates a website, and I create one in rebuttal. How is that harsh?

If she had a StopUncaYimmy website then it would be fair to have one rebutting that, but her website is just all what she imagines about herself (even if brilliant skeptics like you do get a mention ) and as far as I can see she's not doing anything illegal or immoral.

I just think it's a bit of overkill at the moment when her motives are unknown.

 

[Uncayimmy]

If she had a StopUncaYimmy website then it would be fair to have one rebutting that, but her website is just all what she imagines about herself (even if brilliant skeptics like you do get a mention ) and as far as I can see she's not doing anything illegal or immoral.

I just think it's a bit of overkill at the moment when her motives are unknown.

Still not seeing it. If she comes here and posts, I can rebut her. If she goes to the FACT meeting, they can rebut her. But if she creates a website, nobody is allowed to create a website to rebut her?

You know, it's not like I saw some teenage girl at Starbucks reading a book on astrology and decided to create a website to tell the world she's a kook. Anita, a 26 year old woman, is making a bunch of extraordinary claims on her website, on this website, and on other skeptic websites. She has contacted two separate skeptic groups, several professors, a mall manager, parks and recreation people, and local city officials about her claim. In response I created one website where those claims can be objectively examined.

I see nothing harsh about my conduct.

 

[Darat]

As Admin:

I have removed posts discussing issues of moderation, as the Members who made those posts know such issues should be raised in the Forum Management section.

As we have said before the moderation of this Forum is concerned with what members do and post here. There have been very few exceptions to that and given that quite a few Members here have websites that are critical or supportive of people that other Members may not be as critical or as supportive of there is nothing exceptional in this instance.

We are not (as a Mod Team) going to start to determine if a particular Member's site is "up to standard" or not, the exception to that would be if linking to the site would breach the Membership Agreement.

Promoting a site. If a site is not a commercial site and is directly about a psychic/scam/ghost sightings/UFOs etc. then we have always allowed threads to be started about them, in effect "promoting" a site. For example RLS's "Stop" sites, What The Harm, Bad Science and so on.

Of course there is as slight niggle in this instance since "VisionFromFeeling" is a Member here so anyone posting here about VisionFromFeeling must do so within the constraints of their Membership Agreement.​

And remember if you want to discuss the moderation or forum management issues please take it to the Forum Management section.