Molten Steel

[Mercutio]

But you are a freakin riot. Thanks for keeping things entertaining. I skipped Jon Stewart tonight because you are much funnier.

You didn't call me a liar? Don't you hate me any more?

C7, I don't want to point out your lies. I would prefer you to tell the truth. It is actually a bit of a chore to point out your lies in a manner consistent with forum rules. You, of course, have shown that you are willing to attempt to censor me for calling you out on your lies. So unless I wish to explicitly point out that you are lying, it is easier for me to simply post, and not to point out your lies. But you continue to lie. Of course, this being the JREF, I do not need to point this out. The vast majority of readers can see that you are lying.

I do not hate you, C7. I have never said that--are you lying once again? I do pity you, though. It must be terribly sad, being you.

I do hope you will start telling the truth. It will make your life much easier.

 

[TSR]

No

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Then how do you explain this gaping hole in your assertion that only therm*te can melt steel?
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[funk de fino]

Continued disregard for rule 12 noted.

Mod acquiescence also noted.

You deliberately misinterpreted what I said and called me a liar again. Nearly all office furniture is made of steel. Some management and executives may have some fancy aluminum furnishings.

Except thats not what you said. You said office furniture is made of steel when I said mine was made of aluminium, that is a direct claims that ALL is made of steel and that mione cold not possibly be. You were inferring I was lying. You are now moving the goalposts to defend a lie.

Since the subject is there were no concentrations of aluminum, the amount of aluminum furniture is not significant. Calling me a liar again is just another unjustified personal attack.

There were NO concentrations of aluminum in the debris pile.

Steel was the only metal in concentration in the debris piles.

That is another lie there were tons of aluminium.

 

[funk de fino]

Yes it would. The government collected and is still withholding over 7,000 video clips and nearly 7,000 photos.

I am going to hold back again and not say you are lying but you are exagerrating again. It was not 14000 in total. It was 7000 and you could have paid for some of them IIRC, but you didnt.

Since this wasn't a criminal investigation,[although it should have been] there was no reason to remove them from public view in the first place. The govt could have made digital copies and returned the photos and videos to the broadcasters and individuals.
The only explanation for continuing to keep the public from seeing this evidence is a cover up. Please don't claim copyright problems. Given the choice some would publish and some would not. The public has a right to know what happened.

You have seen some of them, some have been released by the owner since. Some people have obviously decided not to release them. There will not be a migical video with explosions that are not heard of the rest, this argument is bluster.

 

[Christopher7]

The failure of a single column cannot cause a 47 story building to implode and collapse completely.

I do have a knowledge of design and construction but that is not necessary. Most housewives I have asked know this.

I do thank you for further proving my point... bias is no excuse for ignoring those properties.

Bias? ignoring those properties? What the . . .

Had you not been so ignorant I might have been able to take you seriously.

You know what you can do with that remark.

This same ignorance is demonstrated in all of your interpretations of witness accounts on molten metal.

and that one

The remainder of your response is rubbish,

and this one too. If it's getting crowded, just shove harder.

although the overall content makes for a good stundie prize

You guys keep saying that but you never give me one . . . . . LIARS!

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If you think I'm a paid shill you can keep it to yourself... I challenge your arguments based on the education I have.

Right, Gravy's book of denial, diversion, defamation and double talk.

 

[Toke]

You guys keep saying that but you never give me one . . . . . LIARS!

Your nomination is right here.

 

[Christopher7]

I am going to hold back again and not say you are lying

What a guy.

but you are exagerrating again.

What? Me exaggerate? Not a chance.

It was not 14000 in total. It was 7000 and you could have paid for some of them IIRC, but you didnt.

Actually it's a little under 7,000 photos and a little over 7,000 video clips.

People are trying to get some of them but they ain't releasing diddly-squat.

You have seen some of them, some have been released by the owner since.

Do you mean Spak's stuff or have they released some reticently?

Some people have obviously decided not to release them. There will not be a migical video with explosions that are not heard of the rest, this argument is bluster.

And, of course, you know this before hearing them.
That's because they ar not going to release any incriminating evidence.

There was no legitimate reason to remove them from the publuic in the first place.

 

[funk de fino]

That's because they ar not going to release any incriminating evidence.

Yet, they released the witness testimony and photos of the claw? You have contradicted yourself C7.

Why didnt you pay for them?

You were given a few links earlier. Did you go to them?

 

[Christopher7]

Your nomination is right here.

Thanks. Let me know if I win.

 

[funk de fino]

Your nomination is right here.

I have also nominated him this month for the weight of one floor gag.

 

[Christopher7]

Yet, they released the witness testimony

Only when forced to do so.

and photos of the claw?

Escaped the purge.

You have contradicted yourself C7.
Why didn't you pay for them?

I applied 2 years ago and they told me I had to wait until the investigation was finished. I have not re-applied but others have to no avail.

You were given a few links earlier. Did you go to them?

No I don't have the money to spare now.

There was no reason to collect and keep the photos and videos from the public in the first place and there is no reason they should not release them to their owners now.

Requiring people to go thru the Freedom of Information Act to get the photos is blatant government stalling. They are hiding the evidence as long as they can. You don't have a problem with that because you work for them[there is no other reason to defend this unjustified hiding of evidence]. Any citizen that want's the truth to be known thinks this is BS.

Requiring the public to pay ridiculous amounts to have someone sit at a keyboard for 5 minutes and put together a CD or DVD if a rip-off.

 

[Christopher7]

I have also nominated him this month for the weight of one floor gag.

Your inability to understand that the columns in the top section of the trade towers would mostly be pushing down on columns below, and not the floor, has led you to believe that all the weight of the top section could be applied to the floor below, outside the core, and cause the floor supports to collapse. This is physically impossible.

The NIST FAQ hypothesis is a simplistic farce that is physically impossible.

Maybe this will help:
Take a cardboard box. Cut it all the way around a bout half way up. Now try and get the top part to fit inside the bottom part. You have to bend the sides in.
Now imagine getting a smaller box [to represent the core columns] to do the opposite and go on the outside the lower part.
Even if you could manage to do both of these simultaneously, which you can't, there is no way to get the dozen or so central core columns to apply their weight to the floor outside the core area as is required in the NIST FAQ hypothesis.

"This simplified and conservative analysis indicates that the floor connections could have carried only a maximum of about 11 additional floors. [or 5 if applied suddenly]

Thus, more than the 12 to 29 floors reported above actually loaded the intact floor suddenly."

The NIST FAQ hypothesis is a simplistic farce that is physically impossible.

 

[TSR]

Irrelevant to the topic of this thread, and your inability (unwillingness?) to admit that since therm*te could not have kept the "steel" molten for weeks, there must have been another source of heat -- and that that source, despite your desperate insistence, could more easily have been the cause of the initial "melting".

But nice try at a derail.

 

[ravdin]

Requiring people to go thru the Freedom of Information Act to get the photos is blatant government stalling. They are hiding the evidence as long as they can. You don't have a problem with that because you work for them[there is no other reason to defend this unjustified hiding of evidence]. Any citizen that want's the truth to be known thinks this is BS.

What is the government hiding? Which government agencies are behind this cover up? And who benefited from this alleged controlled detonation?

 

[Christopher7]

Irrelevant to the topic of this thread,

funk brought it up.

You don't want to hear it because it shatters your illusion that NIST is telling the truth. They are not.

and your inability (unwillingness?) to admit that since therm*te could not have kept the "steel" molten for weeks,

Actually, I never said that it could. I noted that thermite burns at 4500 [FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F and steel melts between 2700[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F and 2800[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]F.

there must have been another source of heat

The combustables that were mixed in with the cement, drywall, insulation and steel.

and that that source, despite your desperate insistence, could more easily have been the cause of the initial "melting".

WRONG! carbon based materials [office contents and jet fuel] don't burn hot enough to melt steel.

 

[TSR]

there must have been another source of heat

The combustables that were mixed in with the cement, drywall, insulation and steel.

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Hold that thought.
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WRONG! carbon based materials [office contents and jet fuel] don't burn hot enough to melt steel.

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But you *just* stated that the combustables (which must have come from the towers) could keep the "steel" molten.

Is it your assertion then that it takes more heat to melt "steel" than to keep it molten?
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[Christopher7]

What is the government hiding?

The evidence they have not already destroyed.

Which government agencies are behind this cover up?

I don't know and am I not going to hazard a guess so don't ask again.

And who benefited from this alleged controlled detonation?

If you don't know the answer to that you haven't been paying attention.

 

[TSR]

The evidence they have not already destroyed.

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"They" being ... ?
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I don't know and am I not going to hazard a guess so don't ask again.

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Then how can you be so sure any such "coverup" has occurred?
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[Christopher7]

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But you *just* stated that the combustables (which must have come from the towers) could keep the "steel" molten.

Acting in concert with the insulating qualities of the pulverized debris, the smoldering combustibles in the debris would slow the cooling of the molten metal.

 

[ravdin]

The evidence they have not already destroyed.

"They"? Who destroyed the evidence?

I don't know and am I not going to hazard a guess so don't ask again.

"I don't know" will suffice. Don't tell me what questions I may ask.

If you don't know the answer to that you haven't been paying attention.

That's not an answer. All I'm doing is asking questions. Since you have been paying attention and you know the answers, enlighten us. What are you doing here, if not to provide us with answers that you have and we lack?

Who benefited from the detonation and cover up?