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Plasma Cosmology - Woo or not

The only interesting thing about EU is the psychology of the people obsessed with it. I have no idea how or why this particular dumb idea, out the huge spectrum of dumb ideas, has apparently succeeded in attracting so many adherents. My guess is there's a negative feedback mechanism at work...
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Flip reverse and back atya!

The only interesting thing about BB is the psychology of the people obsessed with it. I have no idea how or why this particular dumb idea, out the huge spectrum of dumb ideas, has apparently succeeded in attracting so many adherents. My guess is there's a negative feedback mechanism at work...
 
Zeuzzz said:
Just like you cherry picked the two galaxies that act as proof of dark matter? And ignore the other ones?
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Zeuzzz, you should be ashamed of yourself! This is below you and you are resorting to semantic/philosophical ragument.

It is NOT the alignment of the galaxies that is the possible evidence that supports the dark matter hypothesis.

You are just whining here, please don't shame yourself so.

Discuss the data, not some silly analogy that dosn't apply. What about the two galaxy interactions is considered to show the possibility of dark matter?

It is not the alignment.
 
So which part of Arp's work casts doubt upon the cosmological redshift?
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[sarcasm]None of it! It's in totally agreement with the Hubble constant[/sarcasm] :rolleyes:
 
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Now insert a field line going FROM somewhere TO somewhere and that is my understanding of a Birkeland current, on any scale!

Or 'cos your the expert, am I wrong?
You're wrong.

A Birkeland current is a current that flows along magnetic field lines. The image you posted shows precisely the opposite (and at least the first image has nothing to do with plasma, by the way).
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Say whaaa? Tripper!

Do you know what's being discussed here?

Cos maybe you could show your ignorance on the subject and tell me what happens when an electric current passes thru a plasma?

What should we look for?
 
Sol88 said:
[sarcasm]None of it! It's in totally agreement with the Hubble constant[/sarcasm] :rolleyes:
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So, you resort to a non-response.

i ask you in truth because I would like to talk about it.

If you are here to have a tantrum, then please act like a toddler.

I ask because I did look at what Arp has to say.

From what i can tell, there is not a compelling case at this time that the Arp galaxy/QSO association is more than a product of sample bias and sample error.

So while in the 1960s and 1970s when the QSO phenomena was new, these were likely things to talk about, I am asking what is the basis of the Arp association? It has been thirty years now.

Does that bother you?

That is what is done here on the JREF, examine the basis of a claim.

At this time the Arp galaxy/QSO association is rather unfounded, does it bother you that I politely ask what the basis of the association is?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081115.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081104.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080731.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080721.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080430.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071101.html


So look here, these are all these great pictures that reference he Arp catalouge of galaxies. So his work is know, commonly referenced. he is a great astronomer. But the theory that there are QSOs associated with these galaxies, that si what is not substantiated by the data. So is having a tantrum your usual debate style, or do you want to disucss this?

Here is the deal, there is a way, and a rather cheap one as well to establish control groups for the QSO/Arp galaxy association. Then Arp can show that is association rises above the level of noise.

Samples:
1. QSO association with random points on the sky.
2. QSO associations with non Arp catalogue galaxies.
3. OSO associations with Arp galaxies.

By comparing 3) to 1) & 2) it can be determined if the Arp assication is more than random alignment.
 
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Sure uh huh, the Cygnus loop?

And so how is the shock wave of a stellar explosion supposed to demonstrate a Birkeland current?

Have you looked at the whole structure of the Cygnus loop?
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You know I may be wrong! I was not aware of a shock wave there, maybe you could tell the mechanism on how that works? How does a stellar explosion cause the observed structure?

I in my ignorance, just thought it LOOKED like an electric current passing thru a plasma!
 
Sol88 said:
It's no mystery!

Though the may not be following a magnetic field line as per magnetosphere/steller/Cosmic/Galactic understanding, they do show a very distinct property of ELECTRICITY flowing in a plasma!

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Ahh well, Sollyboy, you have not learned anything since you got banned from BAUT, not surprising.

You claim Birkeland currents, are flowing in a plasma ball.
You quoted from the wiki page about Birkeland currents:

Wiki & Tusenfem said:
A Birkeland current is a specific magnetic field aligned current in the Earth’s magnetosphere which flows from the magnetotail towards the Earth on the dawn side and in the other direction on the dusk side of the magnetosphere. Lately, the term Birkeland currents has been expanded by some authors to include magnetic field aligned currents in general space plasmas.
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You now say: Though the may not be following a magnetic field line

Ehhhhhh, Hello!!!!!!, can anybody pick up the clue phone??????????????

Birkeland currents are magnetic field aligned currents, discharges in a plasma ball are NOT magnetic field aligned (just like lightning is not magnetic field aligned) and thus they are not Birkeland currents, not even in the broadest interpretation of the term Birkeland current.

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And there tendency to braid into pairs.
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Which is NEVER seen in a plasma ball.
You are such a fraud, you just change definitions as you like it. No wonder the EU/EC/ES/PU/PC community cannot get their story straight.
 
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From what i can tell, there is not a compelling case at this time that the Arp galaxy/QSO association is more than a product of sample bias and sample error.
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Fine that's your view, not mine! I believe from said papers there is a case at this time, done!
 
Tusenfem, 'ol mate?

What happens when you pass en electric current thru a plasma? At this stage forget about field lines. Be it lightning or a plasma globe filament.

You know a little about it a believe!

Enlighten us all poor misunderstanding souls :rolleyes:

No please do!
 
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sol invictus said:
The only interesting thing about EU is the psychology of the people obsessed with it. I have no idea how or why this particular dumb idea, out the huge spectrum of dumb ideas, has apparently succeeded in attracting so many adherents. My guess is there's a negative feedback mechanism at work...
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Well, yeah the EU/EC/ES/PU/PC proponents are a special breed. Like you see here and as could be seen on BAUT, no real discussion is possible with Sol88. He will just throw loads and loads of text and images and quotes at you, even if they are wrong, and the normal people have to try and set it all straight (e.g. the Birkeland current thingy right now, I wonder what MM is thinking about Sol88 's "help").

This is sort of trying to win the discussion by heaping up false evidence and hope not everything can be set straight and thus ... you win. yeahhhh

Then Zeuzzz is a whole different story. He seems to want to understand stuff sometimes, and it even sounds like he "learns" something. But then another crackpot will come along (in this case Sol88) and the switch is flipped back and the old nonsense comes spouting out again.

Ah well, at least I am normal! Now, if you don't mind I have to adjust my tinfoil hat.
 
So look here, these are all these great pictures that reference he Arp catalouge of galaxies. So his work is know, commonly referenced. he is a great astronomer. But the theory that there are QSOs associated with these galaxies, that si what is not substantiated by the data. So is having a tantrum your usual debate style, or do you want to disucss this?
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Are you stating that all these galaxies have QSO's associated with them?
 
Before you go spouting off like over on the BAUT forum, answer the question!

I bet you won't just go off on some rant again!

The question is simple.

Tusenfem, 'ol mate?

What happens when you pass en electric current thru a plasma?

You know a little about it a believe!

Enlighten us all poor misunderstanding souls

No please do!
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Sol88 said:
I in my ignorance, just thought it LOOKED like an electric current passing thru a plasma!
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And that is the whole problem of the EU/ES/EC/PU/PC defined in one single sentence: just thought it LOOKED like.
 
How's that answer going Tusenfem?

So I can visualize it a bit clearer could you try an add some diagrams or picture with your explanation.
 
Sol88 said:
What happens when you pass en electric current thru a plasma? At this stage forget about field lines. Be it lightning or a plasma globe filament.
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Nuthing!?!?!

Some or all of the following may happen, depending on the situation:
  • plasma heating (basically always happens because of the resistivity of the plasma)
  • instabilities (depending on the flow velocity of the electrons or ions carrying the current, instabilities may or may not arise)
  • double layers (although this partly fits into the instabilities category, depending on the local plasma density or on the flow velocity of the particle carrying the current, see instabilities, double layers may or may not be created)
  • filamentation (depending on the strength of the current and on the properties of the plasma filamentation may or may not occur)

That is basically all that can happen in a plasma. Unless you mean an only partially ionized plasma, then you can get ionization too.
 
Sol88 said:
How's that answer going Tusenfem?

So I can visualize it a bit clearer could you try an add some diagrams or picture with your explanation.
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Sol88 I know you are an obnoxious jerk, but I might just be away from the PC so, go frakkin answer question put to you for real, like I just did for you. Get a life!

Sol88 said:
Before you go spouting off like over on the BAUT forum, answer the question!

I bet you won't just go off on some rant again!
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I never ran off at BAUT, but at some point there is just so much stupidity one can take for a week or so.
And ranting is your way of answering questions, and that be unedumacated rants to!
 
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Sol88
I bet you won't just go off on some rant again!

The question is simple.

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Tusenfem, 'ol mate?

What happens when you pass en electric current thru a plasma?

You know a little about it a believe!

Enlighten us all poor misunderstanding souls

No please do!
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tusenfem
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How's that answer going Tusenfem?

So I can visualize it a bit clearer could you try an add some diagrams or picture with your explanation.
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Sol88 I know you are an obnoxious jerk, but I might just be away from the PC so, go frakkin answer question put to you for real, like I just did for you. Get a life!
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OK, I'm sorry Tusenfem, It's no use gettn narkie at each other, does nuthn for the thread, so truce ay! :)

Perhaps you could help me? Aren't you a plasma physicist?
 
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