Vision From Feeling - Results from 'study'

[LONGTABBER PE]

Yeah, I have had the impression she was sort of "stroking the forum" for some time now.


M.

Thats basically it.

Lawyers and Politicians use the same technique. They tell their story their way with the information they want you to have. When questioned, they neer answer directly but use a variety of methods such as obfuscation, answering something not asked or making the strawman answer or when all else fails, the Chewbacca defense.

This isnt a "study" of paranormal claims- its an exercise in Pavlov's dog.

She wants attention and possibly some future goal and this forum and its ancillary orgs is where she is getting it.

Her methods of deception are deliberate and her comments skillfully crafted to keep the fires burning while saying and producing absolutely nothing.

She has people feeling sorry for her for some perceived possible mental condition. ( the sympathy card) She has control of those who continually post to challenge her and get frustrated when she doesnt do the obvious. ( she is manipulating them and has "the power")

She has no ability. She knows it. She refuses all legitimate attempts to verify it. She "goes along with the process" by coming up with a "non test" and calling it a "test". ( we used to call that coattailing on legitimacy)

She then spends tens of thousands of words that say and answer nothing and ignores challenges when cornered.

Yeah, theres a "study" going on right now but its not about her paranormal ability- its about her ability to goad the masses.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Synesthesia. Or extrasensory ability. Which do you think it is, GeeMack?

Or hallucination/imagination/guesswork. You are providing an incoreect binary list of possibilities, while ignore the more mundane ones.

Anita, you're much smarter than this. The above question of yours is presenting a false dichotomy, and I'm sure you're aware of it. How have you eliminated ALL other explanations for your perceived ability?

I did it like a joke. GeeMack loves to say,

And as far as I can tell, everyone has come to the conclusion that you're either seriously mentally ill, or that you're simply a liar.
Which do you think it is, Anita?

So I did my version of binary possibilities. Why can't I have fun? Of course I consider other possible explanations.

 

[tsig]

I did it like a joke. GeeMack loves to say,

And as far as I can tell, everyone has come to the conclusion that you're either seriously mentally ill, or that you're simply a liar.
Which do you think it is, Anita?

So I did my version of binary possibilities. Why can't I have fun? Of course I consider other possible explanations.

What are those "other" possibilities?

 

[Pup]

Well, GeeMack, there are five medicine samples given to me by Pup and they fall into two general categories based on their medicinal effects: allergy medicines, and general pain or antiinflammatory medicines.

Actually, three categories: two pain/antiinflammatory, two allergy and one antacid.

So please tell us which are in which categories, even if you can't tell the two allergy medicines apart, for example.

If you can do what you claim to be able to do, why can't you do that?

Another problem is that I am asked to identify the samples by name, whereas when I perceive vibrational information (that I then translate into physical significance) it won't spell out to me commercial names such as "Aspirin!" but rather a feeling of what the medicine is all about.

See my post here. You've already mentioned that you're familiar with calcium carbonate, one of the medicines. Several people have also already suggested easy ways to "see" samples of the other medicines, though they might not be the same brand, color or size as the pills I used.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

LONGTABBER PE,

How have you eliminated ALL other explanations for your perceived ability?

She hasnt, she knows it and she knows she has no intention of ever doing so.

Of course there are other possible explanations to my so far compellingly accurate medical perceptions (*anecdotal evidence only, no verified evidence available yet). But part of my investigation is to find out how they come about and what is the source of information, so I do intend to eliminate several possibilities.

What she has done is convince a good number of people that somewhere there is some legitimacy to what she is doing and taking the heat for various failings on her part. Thats how "they" work and why people who engage in scams more often than not engage "intelligent" people because they are easier to fool due to the fact that they wont see beyond their own reliance on their intelligence.

I don't try to convince anyone that there is legitimacy, since I can not offer any formal evidence of this yet. What I do try to convince you all is that I believe I have evidence that I have witnessed and experienced, and that I have reason to do all of this. There have been no failings on my part. There is no scam.

She is stalling and milking the cow. She has had ample time to do her "study" (IF she ever intended to) but she hasnt. She has had ample opportunity to act on the advice given but she hasnt. She has had ample opportunity to explain in detail but she hasnt. She refuses to accept any test that will produce a valid result and disprove her claim.

I am not stalling on purpose. I had to obtain permission from the government before I proceed with having a study in a public area. I wanted to explain what I will be doing and where and check that it is permissible. I was not going to go out and bring with me people who participate in it with me and then have someone approach us and say that we can't do it and are in trouble and as the organizer of this event I take responsibility in ensuring that all necessary permits are in order. And now I am waiting for Thursday so that I can try to recruit some Skeptics from FACT. So let's wait until Thursday.

I do not refuse a test. I am working toward a test. In fact I would have a test today if I could.

She talks in circles and "explains away" and never actually does or accomplishes anything of any merit.

True.

In reality, everything but the obvious truth. This was and is a deliberate and calculated fraud.

Heh. Oh if they knew that I have been entirely sincere throughout! I'm just describing my actual experiences!

There never will be a study or a result. If that happened, the game is over.

There WILL be a study. There WILL be a result. The game is over when this investigation reaches a final conclusion.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

LOL. There is no scam. There is no lie. There is no mental illness. You sillies. I'm describing an authentic experience I have of perceiving health information when I look at people, and I am investigating it, even if slowly and to the great impatience of you all.

You already involved your university when you talked to your professors. Do I detect a threat in that mass of whine? If you want your personal life to be private why do you publish so much of it here?

I've confided in four professors who I felt I could trust and whose areas of specialty are somewhat related to what I claim to experience. It is a far leap from that to actually involving everyone into that. Oh who am I kidding, if I ever lose a career opportunity because of this, then I wouldn't want to work with such people or with such things anyway.

What are those "other" possibilities?

Here are some that are not possibilities:
Deliberate lie
Scam
Fraud
Hoax

Here are some possibilities:
Synesthesia: I see external symptoms and it translates into images and other health information
Extrasensory perception, who knows
Subjective impressions that are triggered from seeing people that translate into sensory experience of things that are not related to real-world information

Pup, alright I'll look into the medical samples again. I'm not at that house at the moment so I'll get back with you on that.

 

[Czarcasm]

Here are some that are not possibilities:
Deliberate lie
Scam
Fraud
Hoax

Here are some possibilities:
Synesthesia: I see external symptoms and it translates into images and other health information
Extrasensory perception, who knows
Subjective impressions that are triggered from seeing people that translate into sensory experience of things that are not related to real-world information

If we consider the first four possibilities, and you consider the last three possibilities, then all the bases are covered, right?

 

[Akhenaten]

Why continue? Y'all probably wouldn't give the time of day to someone like Anita if she strolled into your office and started yammering about vibrational algebra.

I was thinking that there is a great disturbance in the Force at the moment, with a number of Serious Distractions™ operating in various threads, and I was hoping that this might lead Anita to an Epiphany™ in which she realised the sparsity of her claims and decided to join the Rebel Alliance skeptics.


Alas!


Also, your avatar rocks.

 

[tsig]

LOL. There is no scam. There is no lie. There is no mental illness. You sillies. I'm describing an authentic experience I have of perceiving health information when I look at people, and I am investigating it, even if slowly and to the great impatience of you all.

I've confided in four professors who I felt I could trust and whose areas of specialty are somewhat related to what I claim to experience. It is a far leap from that to actually involving everyone into that. Oh who am I kidding, if I ever lose a career opportunity because of this, then I wouldn't want to work with such people or with such things anyway.

Here are some that are not possibilities:
Deliberate lie
Scam
Fraud
Hoax

Here are some possibilities:
Synesthesia: I see external symptoms and it translates into images and other health information
Extrasensory perception, who knows
Subjective impressions that are triggered from seeing people that translate into sensory experience of things that are not related to real-world information

Pup, alright I'll look into the medical samples again. I'm not at that house at the moment so I'll get back with you on that.

I'll take door #1 Anita.

 

[tsig]

If we consider the first four possibilities, and you consider the last three possibilities, then all the bases are covered, right?

Well a Hoax, scam or a fraud are deliberate lies so her four become one.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

tsig... it really isn't a lie. So don't take that door, it's the wrong one.

 

[Czarcasm]

tsig... it really isn't a lie. So don't take that door, it's the wrong one.

Because if you were lying, you'd tell us, right?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

What is so unbelievably unacceptable about the claim of perceiving automatic and involuntary images of tissue when looking at a body? Heck, some most guys'll look at a woman and get automatic and involuntary images of what her surface looks like. I just go deeper than that. (Note: It is not the same thing. I'm just joking. Besides, just in case someone is wondering - and I'm sure some of you are - I mostly look at the liver, heart, prostate and lungs in men. And *nothing else*. )

But I can, if I sense a health problem. You know how some people have aluminum hats to keep others from reading their thoughts telepathically. I bet I'll have people wearing aluminum underwear now.

I hold great respect for people's integrity. I do see, feel, and detect plenty of personal health information. It doesn't bother me, and after working three years as a practical nurse I do regard myself as health care staff so it all takes place in a most professional manner and mind-set.

 

[tsig]

What is so unbelievably unacceptable about the claim of perceiving automatic and involuntary images of tissue when looking at a body? Heck, some most guys'll look at a woman and get automatic and involuntary images of what her surface looks like. I just go deeper than that. (Note: It is not the same thing. I'm just joking. Besides, just in case someone is wondering - and I'm sure some of you are - I mostly look at the liver, heart, prostate and lungs in men. And *nothing else*. )

I's not the claim, it's the absolute lack of any corroborating evidence.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

LONGTABBER PE,

Of course there are other possible explanations to my so far compellingly accurate medical perceptions (*anecdotal evidence only, no verified evidence available yet). But part of my investigation is to find out how they come about and what is the source of information, so I do intend to eliminate several possibilities.

I don't try to convince anyone that there is legitimacy, since I can not offer any formal evidence of this yet. What I do try to convince you all is that I believe I have evidence that I have witnessed and experienced, and that I have reason to do all of this. There have been no failings on my part. There is no scam.

I am not stalling on purpose. I had to obtain permission from the government before I proceed with having a study in a public area. I wanted to explain what I will be doing and where and check that it is permissible. I was not going to go out and bring with me people who participate in it with me and then have someone approach us and say that we can't do it and are in trouble and as the organizer of this event I take responsibility in ensuring that all necessary permits are in order. And now I am waiting for Thursday so that I can try to recruit some Skeptics from FACT. So let's wait until Thursday.

I do not refuse a test. I am working toward a test. In fact I would have a test today if I could.

True.

Heh. Oh if they knew that I have been entirely sincere throughout! I'm just describing my actual experiences!

There WILL be a study. There WILL be a result. The game is over when this investigation reaches a final conclusion.

>>>Of course there are other possible explanations to my so far compellingly accurate UNSUBSTANTIATED medical perceptions (*anecdotal evidence only, no verified evidence available yet). But part of my investigation is to find out how they come about and what is the source of information, so I do intend to eliminate several possibilities.

Try that crap with someone who doesnt see right thru you. ( thats "my" vibrational analysis- the funny thing is that I'm actually certified in "vibration analysis")

Your investigation is a ruse

>>>I don't try to convince anyone that there is legitimacy, since I can not offer any formal evidence of this yet. What I do try to convince you all is that I believe I have evidence that I have witnessed and experienced, and that I have reason to do all of this. There have been no failings on my part. There is no scam.

There is no "convincing" without PRODUCTION and what you do is WAFFLE. ( a "scientific term" meaning to speak endlessly and say nothing) There also have been no "successes" on your part either.

>>>I am not stalling on purpose.

Ahh, one of those "statement analysis" Freudian slips. You admit to "stalling". I know you are. I know why.

>>>I had to obtain permission from the government before I proceed with having a study in a public area. I wanted to explain what I will be doing and where and check that it is permissible.

You do realize you are talking to a former investigator who knows better right? There are a thousand ways you could do this. You just employed another stall tactic to build suspense for your NON production.

>>>I was not going to go out and bring with me people who participate in it with me and then have someone approach us and say that we can't do it and are in trouble and as the organizer of this event I take responsibility in ensuring that all necessary permits are in order. And now I am waiting for Thursday so that I can try to recruit some Skeptics from FACT. So let's wait until Thursday.

More endless drivel saying nothing. You can wait until hell freezes over and you still will be lying and obfuscating trying to keep the attention on you while promulgating your scam.

>>>I do not refuse a test. I am working toward a test. In fact I would have a test today if I could.

"if you wish upon a star..." You are working on nothing. Your non answer reminds me of the old butcher's joke.

The lady walks in and asks the price of steak and the butcher says 1.19 a lb. She says the butcher down the street has it for .79 a lb but hes out. The butcher replies: "Well maam, when I'm out I advertise it for .60 a lb."

You wont have a LEGITIMATE test. You know it and so do I. Your own performance,stalling and obfuscating is more than enough proof of that.

>>>Heh. Oh if they knew that I have been entirely sincere throughout! I'm just describing my actual experiences!

Yeah, like Stephen King and his dreams- good fiction.

>>>There WILL be a study. There WILL be a result. The game is over when this investigation reaches a final conclusion

Its over now actually. In a few more months of your non production, it will become obvious as to what you are doing even to those who still hold out hope.

 

[Moochie]

LOL. There is no scam. There is no lie. There is no mental illness. You sillies. I'm describing an authentic experience I have of perceiving health information when I look at people, and I am investigating it, even if slowly and to the great impatience of you all.

I've confided in four professors who I felt I could trust and whose areas of specialty are somewhat related to what I claim to experience. It is a far leap from that to actually involving everyone into that. Oh who am I kidding, if I ever lose a career opportunity because of this, then I wouldn't want to work with such people or with such things anyway.

Here are some that are not possibilities:
Deliberate lie
Scam
Fraud
Hoax

Here are some possibilities:
Synesthesia: I see external symptoms and it translates into images and other health information
Extrasensory perception, who knows
Subjective impressions that are triggered from seeing people that translate into sensory experience of things that are not related to real-world information

Pup, alright I'll look into the medical samples again. I'm not at that house at the moment so I'll get back with you on that.

I must hand it you, ma'am, for perseverance in the face of overwhelming indifference.


M.

 

[Ashles]

LONGTABBER PE,

Of course there are other possible explanations to my so far compellingly accurate medical perceptions (*anecdotal evidence only, no verified evidence available yet). But part of my investigation is to find out how they come about and what is the source of information, so I do intend to eliminate several possibilities.

I don't try to convince anyone that there is legitimacy, since I can not offer any formal evidence of this yet. What I do try to convince you all is that I believe I have evidence that I have witnessed and experienced, and that I have reason to do all of this. There have been no failings on my part. There is no scam.

If you want to convince people here of your genuine intent, this is really very simple to do. You actually detail actions not promises. Actions you have actually carried out.

You need to describe actual tests and results rather than what you 'intend' to do or what you 'had planned' to do or detail yet more irrelevant stories of why the world is against you and how cool you are and how you don't have time because of x, y, z etc.

At the moment nobody here believes you either about your claim (any of it) or your genuine intent to test it. Nobody.
You cannot convince anyone using only further posts. It's all just words.

We have happily let this topic fall off the front page several times. We don't really care by now.

If you were genuine you would let this subject go until you actually had something to report - the reults of an actual test.
That would be the first step toward attempting to convince us that at least you believe any of this.

In the complete absence of any testing we don't currently believe even that.

So why don't you try really hard to simply not post anything else to do with this claim until you have actual test results to report? Seriously.
Everything else you are posting is entirely irrelevant to the claim and not helping push this forward at all. In fact the opposite.
(But somehow I suspect you will be unable to restrain yourself)

 

[GeeMack]

[...] my so far compellingly accurate medical perceptions (*anecdotal evidence only, no verified evidence available yet).

It's been quite clear for some time that you're repeating this lie deliberately, apparently for the purpose of getting a reaction. You can't possibly be stupid enough to think that anyone here believes you're being honest. Even you, Anita, if you were sane and rational, couldn't possibly believe it. So aside from the extremely well evidenced possibility that you are suffering from hallucinations or a mental health problem which manifests itself in delusions and compulsive lying, you are also, by definition, a troll.

And as desertgal said, since you do it by intent, you've don't deserve sympathy. You're worthy only of contempt and pity.

But part of my investigation is to find out how they come about and what is the source of information, so I do intend to eliminate several possibilities.

When can we expect you to see a mental health professional for an evaluation, you know, to eliminate what seems to be the most likely possibility? Because after all, this thread is supposed to be about your "study". And any good science student studying an unexplained phenomena would put checking for the most obvious explanations at the top of their priority list.

But I can, if I sense a health problem.

You can't sense a health problem, not even your own most obvious one.

I hold great respect for people's integrity.

Except you haven't demonstrated that you know anything about integrity.

I do see, feel, and detect plenty of personal health information.

No, you don't.

It doesn't bother me, and after working three years as a practical nurse I do regard myself as health care staff so it all takes place in a most professional manner and mind-set.

Except you haven't demonstrated that you know anything about a professional manner. You regard yourself as a straight A student, too. And it's been proven that your assessment is wrong.

Its over now actually. In a few more months of your non production, it will become obvious as to what you are doing even to those who still hold out hope.

Does anyone still hold out hope? Anita was busted a long, long time ago. Even if she believed it herself at one time, by now she knows it's all bogus. The thread is about the results from the study, but the only study that's ever going to be done is the one she presented right here in this forum. We've been given 400+ posts to study the style of a self-deceived troll. The results of that study are in. VisionFromFeeling: Fail.

 

[Moochie]

<snip>

Also, your avatar rocks.

Seconded.


M.

 

[dlorde]

Having browsed this thread a while, it seems clear to me that VisionFromFeeling seems convinced of her abilities. It also seems clear that she has little knowledge of the principles of scientific research, or human biology - both fields that are pretty much essential if she is serious about making productive use of the abilities she feels she has. If she knew anything about human biology, physiology and anatomy, she would frame her responses in terms of such an understanding, but that is not the case so far.

However, regarding the pill identification (I'm not sure about the details of this, but IIUIC she is supposed to identify what medicines are represented by a number of different crushed pill samples ?). The last response on this was "Another problem is that I am asked to identify the samples by name, whereas when I perceive vibrational information (that I then translate into physical significance) it won't spell out to me commercial names such as "Aspirin!" but rather a feeling of what the medicine is all about". It occurs to me that it would be possible to do a statistical test of this 'feeling', by having VisionFromFeeling give us as much information as she can about her feeling of 'what the medicine is all about' for each sample, then have us match this data with the actual descriptions of the medicines involved (exact matching protocol TBD). This would only be a very rough guide, but it would provide some indication if there was anything further to consider. If the descriptions of 'what the medicine is all about', are too vague or esoteric to allow a reasonable of match to the actual medical descriptions, we can be reasonably confident that what they describe is unlikely to be useful; if they can be compared, but don't match the medical descriptions, we can assume they're not useful, and if there is a significant matching of 'what the medicine is all about' with the medical description, we know there is something interesting. I know the stats can be done for such matches, but I don't have the expertise.

I can't see that the claims allow for anything more robust in the circumstances.