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Megan McCain "Am I Not Worthy Of Being A Member of Republican Party?" -In A Word, NO!

Darth Rotor said:
You might want to clue up. From an article by Frank Rich, (who wrote Fiasco among other things) form the 13 November New York Times, 2005. Some of McCains own editorials, circa 2005 and 2006, I cannot find in my pile of news articles on war topics from that era. If I find them, I'll offer you a few of his own words on the topic, as reported in the press.
Funny how history is misremembered.

From another article around the same time, this time
Washington Post December 21, 2005 Pg. 31 David Ignatius.


What appears to have happened to Senator McCain is, as in 2000, he lost the internal GOP fight for a position he advocated. Not for the last time.

But you need a demon for this, or possibly an excuse to demonize Senator McCain for reasons that puzzle me.

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She's just parroting the mainstream media line that McCain used to be moderate before he sold out to the right wing in order to get the GOP nomination. It's an incredibly stupid meme (as revealed by the fact that the people he supposedly sold out to supported him only grudgingly and have turned against him again now that the election is over), but the media had to come up with some reason for turning against the sole Republican they had spent the prior eight years praising.
 
I am fascinated watching the GOP flog itself, and am curious indeed to see which direction is chosen. If they gather themselves up and lean to the right more, they will lose even more voters. A shift toward the party of Limbaugh and Palin is a shift toward the precipice for the Republicans.
 
Brainster said:
She's just parroting the mainstream media line that McCain used to be moderate before he sold out to the right wing in order to get the GOP nomination. It's an incredibly stupid meme (as revealed by the fact that the people he supposedly sold out to supported him only grudgingly and have turned against him again now that the election is over), but the media had to come up with some reason for turning against the sole Republican they had spent the prior eight years praising.
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- In 2000, McCain called Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance." In 2006, he gave a speech at Liberty University, and was full of praise for Falwell.

- In 2001, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts. By the time he was running for president, he wanted to make those tax cuts permanent.

- McCain used to support the moratorium on coastal oil drilling. In his 2008 campaign, he made the renewal of such drilling a centerpiece of his energy policy.

- McCain used to oppose the US becoming a torture regime. When it came time to vote to enforce that view, he sided with Bush/Cheney.

Who's incredibly stupid meme are you parroting? Just because the wingers only grudgingly supported him once he became the nominee (and they had no where else to go) is thin gruel as evidence goes that he didn't move inexorably to their side on every single issue.
 
hgc said:
- In 2000, McCain called Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance." In 2006, he gave a speech at Liberty University, and was full of praise for Falwell.

- In 2001, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts. By the time he was running for president, he wanted to make those tax cuts permanent.

- McCain used to support the moratorium on coastal oil drilling. In his 2008 campaign, he made the renewal of such drilling a centerpiece of his energy policy.

- McCain used to oppose the US becoming a torture regime. When it came time to vote to enforce that view, he sided with Bush/Cheney.

Who's incredibly stupid meme are you parroting? Just because the wingers only grudgingly supported him once he became the nominee (and they had no where else to go) is thin gruel as evidence goes that he didn't move inexorably to their side on every single issue.
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Haven't you noticed? All the party has left is incredibly stupid memes. I mean look at the garbage you quoted. Mainstream media. Selling a story. Obviously it's a giant conspiracy against Republicans. Obviously.

This sort of garbage and those sorts of posters should be restricted to the Conspiracy Theory forum, but sadly they think they're relevant. But all in all, it's about as convincing as the theory that the Illuminati run the country.
 
Dr Adequate said:
You really don't?

This is most amusing.
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You mean it was similar to when V.P. Cheney took a swipe at Keith Olbermann at the Radio and Television Correspondents Association Dinner?

While introducing Mo Rocca, he said,

"Mo used to host a TV show called 'Things I Hate About You.' I'm sure I've seen that program, only I believe it's now called Countdown with Keith Olbermann."
 
Cicero said:
You mean it was similar to when V.P. Cheney took a swipe at Keith Olbermann at the Radio and Television Correspondents Association Dinner?

While introducing Mo Rocca, he said,

"Mo used to host a TV show called 'Things I Hate About You.' I'm sure I've seen that program, only I believe it's now called Countdown with Keith Olbermann."
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No, that is not what I mean.
 
hgc said:
- In 2000, McCain called Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance." In 2006, he gave a speech at Liberty University, and was full of praise for Falwell.

- In 2001, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts. By the time he was running for president, he wanted to make those tax cuts permanent.

- McCain used to support the moratorium on coastal oil drilling. In his 2008 campaign, he made the renewal of such drilling a centerpiece of his energy policy.

- McCain used to oppose the US becoming a torture regime. When it came time to vote to enforce that view, he sided with Bush/Cheney.

Who's incredibly stupid meme are you parroting? Just because the wingers only grudgingly supported him once he became the nominee (and they had no where else to go) is thin gruel as evidence goes that he didn't move inexorably to their side on every single issue.
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Dr Adequate said:
No, that is not what I mean.
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Well, what in Hell do you mean?
 
Cicero said:
Well, what in Hell do you mean?
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Let me spell it out to you.

The Democrats are deliberately trying to draw attention to people such as Limbaugh and Coulter.

Why are they trying to do that? Because such people are so intellectually worthless, so morally despicable, and so hopelessly unpopular, that if the Dems can paint the Republicans as the party of Limbaugh, then it's game set and match to the Democrats.

This is why the Dems are all queuing up to anoint Limbaugh as the True King Of The Republicans. They could hardly do anything more damaging to the Republican cause.

The Democrats want to identify conservatism with hate-filled morons. And the brilliant part of their strategy is that so do the hate-filled morons, and the sane conservatives are caving in to them. When Steele, who seems to be an OK sort of guy, has to kowtow to Limbaugh, who is mentally ill, the Democrats can legitimately paint conservatism as the proposition that the lunatics should run the asylum.

This is why, in your words: "President Obama would elevate Limberger's prominence". The more prominent the Democrats can make Limbaugh, the bigger they win.
 
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Dr Adequate said:
Oh, that's your answer to everything.
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You know, she is kinda hot.

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That and I'm on the rebound from Jenna...
 
hgc said:
- In 2000, McCain called Jerry Falwell an "agent of intolerance." In 2006, he gave a speech at Liberty University, and was full of praise for Falwell.

- In 2001, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts. By the time he was running for president, he wanted to make those tax cuts permanent.

- McCain used to support the moratorium on coastal oil drilling. In his 2008 campaign, he made the renewal of such drilling a centerpiece of his energy policy.

- McCain used to oppose the US becoming a torture regime. When it came time to vote to enforce that view, he sided with Bush/Cheney.

Who's incredibly stupid meme are you parroting? Just because the wingers only grudgingly supported him once he became the nominee (and they had no where else to go) is thin gruel as evidence goes that he didn't move inexorably to their side on every single issue.
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That you can find a few selected items to prop up this incredibly stupid meme must be thrilling for you. However, let's not just cherry pick, let's look at McCain's entire voting record.

McCain's career voting record is scored at about 81.43 by the American Conservative Union. In 2007, he scored an 80. In 2006, when he was supposedly sucking up to the right wingers? A 65. In 2005? Another 80. In 2004, he had a 72.

The only trend I can see in there is that he voted less often with the American Conservative Union in each of the last several years than he had for his career. Which is my point exactly.
 
Cicero said:
Did you know that the JREF has a conspiracy forum? You might want to float this turd over there.
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Yup.

Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that this is some sort of black belt political jui jitsu by Barack Obama. Note that his comment about "you can't listen to Rush Limbaugh and get stuff done" was given *in private* to republican lawmakers. One or more of the republican congressmen who met with him then reported the fact that he said it to the press. Presumably, because the anonymous republicans(s) though it would be a good idea to get it out in public. It also isn't Obama who goaded Limbaugh into saying "I hope he fails", who made the CPAC declare Limbaugh "Defender of the Constitution", or who made a number of elected republicans insult him, and then walk it back.
 
Cicero said:
McCain's daughter, 24, a registered Republican since last Father's Day, believes the Republicans need to be more moderate in order to regain power. Did this bugwit miss the last Presidential election where her father, the most moderate Republican in the Party, lost?
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The fact that Grampy got his head handed to him by a man the Republicans consider to be left of Gorbachev should tell the Limbots how ready America is to ever again elect another conservative Republican president.

His moderation did not lose him the election. It probably saved him from the utter humiliation of seeing Texas flip and turn blue.

He lost for two reasons:

1. He was running as a conservative at a time when the country was coming to realize that conservatives have no idea how to run a country, and that the right wing is totally wrong on ecconomic issues.

2. People expect a candidate to bring his best game to the campaign trail and, for a military man, that should include actual organizational skills. McCain got no game.

A.C.'s observation about McCain was too narrow in scope. She neglected to include his inchoate offspring.
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Meghan strikes me as an airhead, but she always seems more in touch with human values than the Coulter critter ever has been.

She is still too self-centered.

Yeah, she belongs in the Limbaugh Party.
 
Mumbles said:
Yup.

Sorry, I just don't buy the idea that this is some sort of black belt political jui jitsu by Barack Obama. Note that his comment about "you can't listen to Rush Limbaugh and get stuff done" was given *in private* to republican lawmakers. One or more of the republican congressmen who met with him then reported the fact that he said it to the press. Presumably, because the anonymous republicans(s) though it would be a good idea to get it out in public. It also isn't Obama who goaded Limbaugh into saying "I hope he fails", who made the CPAC declare Limbaugh "Defender of the Constitution", or who made a number of elected republicans insult him, and then walk it back.
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* sighs, drums fingers on desk *

Don't you ever read the newspapers? Or teh intertubes?

The reason I say that Democrats are trying to portray Limbaugh as the face of the Republican party is because Democratic strategists keep telling journalists that that is exactly what they are trying to do. They brag about it. They took a poll that showed that nearly everyone has heard of Limbaugh, but only 11% regard him favorably. They decided to make that the basis of their strategy. They said so. Rahm Emanuel goes around calling Limbaugh "the voice and the intellectual force and energy behind the Republican party", thus becoming the only person ever to use the words "Limbaugh" and "intellectual" in the same sentence. When I say that Democrats are trying to equate conservatism with Limbaugh, this is not some abstruse deduction I've made. This is blatantly and overtly what the Democrats are trying to do. Then they boast about how clever they're being by so doing and they giggle. This is not a "conspiracy theory".

As for it being "black belt political jui jitsu", it's every bit as subtle as kicking someone in the head. Here's conservative columnist David Frum to explain it to you:

On the one side, the president of the United States: soft-spoken and conciliatory, never angry, always invoking the recession and its victims. This president invokes the language of "responsibility," and in his own life seems to epitomize that ideal: He is physically honed and disciplined, his worst vice an occasional cigarette. He is at the same time an apparently devoted husband and father. Unsurprisingly, women voters trust and admire him.

And for the leader of the Republicans? A man who is aggressive and bombastic, cutting and sarcastic, who dismisses the concerned citizens in network news focus groups as "losers." With his private plane and his cigars, his history of drug dependency and his personal bulk, not to mention his tangled marital history, Rush is a walking stereotype of self-indulgence—exactly the image that Barack Obama most wants to affix to our philosophy and our party. And we're cooperating!​

He's nailed it there. So long as the Democrats can frame the debate as Barack Obama versus the loathsome insane lump of lard, they win. And this is exactly what they are trying to do: and this is not a "conspiracy theory".
 
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Cicero said:
You need to disable the SAP feature when you post, otherwise the message is unintelligible.
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I did. Your polemic skreeds override it though.

Cicero said:
This one got 0 posts. But it didn't ridicule the object of JREFer libs fantasies.
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Apart from the weird fixation (in addition to your other weird fixations) that fmw noted, she actually started a salient thread about skepticism, offered her thoughts without emotional baggage or histrionics and solicited thoughts from fellow forumites intstead of trying to pick a fight. Silly girl, what was she thinking. :rolleyes:

And I don't get your logic* on "libs" and how many responses a thread gets. Some of the longest threads here are about bigfoot. Are you suggesting we could conclude something about Sasquatch politics based on that fact?

* Of course there's no logic, it's another one of Cic's weird fixations.
 
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