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Megan McCain "Am I Not Worthy Of Being A Member of Republican Party?" -In A Word, NO!

Skeptic said:
The kind of idiot who believes Ann Coulter about anything, I suppose.
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Because she doesn't express your opinions she must be unbelievable? Her job is to shake up libs and sell books. She seems to excel at both.
 
Roadtoad said:
He's still stupid.

Hey, next time John-Boy needs a haircut, send him our way. We could use the money.
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Stupid? Dig deeper into your lexicon. Edwards is a Liar, philanderer, hypocrite, ambulance chaser, metrosexual, and general scalawag.
 
Cicero said:
{snip}Of course A.C. is a satirist in the style of Jonathan Swift...
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You're kidding, right?

Cicero said:
Raychill makes zero effort to correct her fallacy about how Japanese soldiers convicted of waterboarding were executed.{snip}
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A bird in flight?
A halloween mask?
A map of Minnesota?

Brainster said:
The one that strikes me as the biggest reach is "Doughy Pantload". That's supposed to refer to Jonah Goldberg (LA Times columnist). Many of the biggest liberal bloggers use that one.
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I've never seen that (not a big fan of liberal blogs), nor would I associate it with him, but it's funny so I think I'm going to use it on people would associate it with. :D

Cicero said:
Here is "Snipery" Hillary's reaction to A.C.'s endorsement. She initially cackles at the news, but says "Well, see, I told you I could bring the country together."{snip}
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A bowl of fruit?
A toppled pile of bricks?
The inside of a pickle barrel?
 
Dr Adequate said:
There just aren't enough dittoheads that pandering to them is a route to power.
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A republican can't win without securing their support. Just as Obama won his partys nomination by his oratory fellatio of the hard left while Hillary was running to the center.
 
Br'er Liberal And The Right Wing Briar Patch

Oh, no, Cicero! Please don't get the party to rally around Limbaugh and Coulter and the other right wing paper tigers. Why we just wouldn't know how to win elections if they were to move the party farther to the right.

Pleeeease, don't throw us in the briar patch. Oh, noooo!

Oh, noes! Not Sarah Palin! Heck, she has 35% of the country behind her. Why, she could get the Republicans onto the next episode of "Whatever Happened To.... ".

Do anything to us, Cicero. Just not the staunch right wing briar patch!

Why, this is liable to be the resounding success that Barry Goldwater created in 1964. Not the briar patch!
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
You're kidding, right?



A bird in flight?
A halloween mask?
A map of Minnesota?



I've never seen that (not a big fan of liberal blogs), nor would I associate it with him, but it's funny so I think I'm going to use it on people would associate it with. :D



A bowl of fruit?
A toppled pile of bricks?
The inside of a pickle barrel?
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You need to disable the SAP feature when you post, otherwise the message is unintelligible.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Oh, no, Cicero! Please don't get the party to rally around Limbaugh and Coulter and the other right wing paper tigers. Why we just wouldn't know how to win elections if they were to move the party farther to the right.

Pleeeease, don't throw us in the briar patch. Oh, noooo!

Oh, noes! Not Sarah Palin! Heck, she has 35% of the country behind her. Why, she could get the Republicans onto the next episode of "Whatever Happened To.... ".

Do anything to us, Cicero. Just not the staunch right wing briar patch!

Why, this is liable to be the resounding success that Barry Goldwater created in 1964. Not the briar patch!
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The point of the thread is that the GOP isn't going to rally around John McCain's princess.
 
Cicero said:
The point of the thread is that the GOP isn't going to rally around John McCain's princess.
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Cic,
Work with me here, babe! 'Kay - you feel this because.... why? Well, because you think that Rush and Ann are the demigods of Conservatism and thus the true rallying point for the GOP that you'd like to see. That leaves them and Palin. Got it?

And like I said, you just keep on attacking any moderates or semi-conservatives and get all those bloggers out there to do the same. Drive the party as far to the right as you can.

'Cuz us dumm ole liberrules won't know how to beat a true blue frothing at the mouth jackass like Rush. Nor could we figure out how to beat a smartass condescending attention-freak like Coulter. So give them your party. Please! It will assure your career as a whiney disenfranchised forum poster for years to come.

Not the briar patch, Br'er Cicero. Please not the briar patch!
 
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Foolmewunz said:
Cic,
Work with me here, babe! 'Kay - you feel this because.... why? Well, because you think that Rush and Ann are the demigods of Conservatism and thus the true rallying point for the GOP that you'd like to see. That leaves them and Palin. Got it?

And like I said, you just keep on attacking any moderates or semi-conservatives and get all those bloggers out there to do the same. Drive the party as far to the right as you can.

'Cuz us dumm ole liberrules won't know how to beat a true blue frothing at the mouth jackass like Rush. Nor could we figure out how to beat a smartass condescending attention-freak like Coulter. So give them your party. Please! It will assure your career as a whiney disenfranchised forum poster for years to come.

Not the briar patch, Br'er Cicero. Please not the briar patch!
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I couldn't care less about Limberger. I don't know why President Obama would elevate Limberger's prominence when he said "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done." A.C. is a polemicist, not a King maker. So why the touch of colic?

Meghan McCain represents herself. She isn't semi-conservative, just semi-conscious.
 
Cicero said:
I couldn't care less about Limberger. I don't know why President Obama would elevate Limberger's prominence when he said "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done." A.C. is a polemicist, not a King maker. So why the touch of colic?

Meghan McCain represents herself. She isn't semi-conservative, just semi-conscious.
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Something we agree on.

The reason Obama would elevate Limbaugh's prominence is to undercut the Republican base. He's not going to get them to his side, but he can certainly show them to look foolish, simply on the basis of their minority status. He's out there with the bandwagon, and not particularly interested in the Far Right's endorsement of anything he says.

True, AC is a polemicist. Just not a very good one. She's at good at that as Toonces The Cat was at driving.

And, you're right about Meghan McCain, though for some reason, she sees herself as being obligated to stand up for Daddy, even though Daddy's had some pretty horrid things to say to her mother in public. She'd gain more respect if she'd been active beforehand, and if she were really expressing her own opinions, rather than what she thought she ought to say.
 
skeptigirl said:
McCain was a little more moderate on some things before he decided to kiss the base's ass to get elected. Then he seemed pretty hypocritical. But McCain's stand on the Iraq was was never moderate. And when he condoned torture, that was disgusting and clearly not a moderate position.
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You might want to clue up. From an article by Frank Rich, (who wrote Fiasco among other things) form the 13 November New York Times, 2005. Some of McCains own editorials, circa 2005 and 2006, I cannot find in my pile of news articles on war topics from that era. If I find them, I'll offer you a few of his own words on the topic, as reported in the press.
Rich said:
Before heading south, Mr. Bush had been doing his own bit for torture by threatening to cast the first veto of his presidency if Congress didn't scrap a spending bill amendment, written by John McCain and passed 90 to 9 by the Senate, banning the "cruel, inhuman or degrading" treatment of prisoners.
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Funny how history is misremembered.

From another article around the same time, this time
Washington Post December 21, 2005 Pg. 31 David Ignatius.
The CIA, like the military, wants clear and sustainable rules of engagement. Agency employees don't want their careers ruined by future congressional or legal investigations of actions they thought were authorized. Unhappiness within the CIA about fuzzy rules on interrogation, and the risk of getting clobbered after the fact for doing your job, was a secret driver for Sen. John McCain's push for a new law banning cruel interrogation techniques.
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What appears to have happened to Senator McCain is, as in 2000, he lost the internal GOP fight for a position he advocated. Not for the last time.

But you need a demon for this, or possibly an excuse to demonize Senator McCain for reasons that puzzle me.

DR
 
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Foolmewunz said:
Oh, no, Cicero! Please don't get the party to rally around Limbaugh and Coulter and the other right wing paper tigers. Why we just wouldn't know how to win elections if they were to move the party farther to the right.

Pleeeease, don't throw us in the briar patch. Oh, noooo!

Oh, noes! Not Sarah Palin! Heck, she has 35% of the country behind her. Why, she could get the Republicans onto the next episode of "Whatever Happened To.... ".

Do anything to us, Cicero. Just not the staunch right wing briar patch!

Why, this is liable to be the resounding success that Barry Goldwater created in 1964. Not the briar patch!
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Yes this.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
Indeed, back in high school and college I got involved in the GOP and it shocked me to find how "liberal" (or rather, libertarian) many young Republicans' views were on abortion, homosexuality, drug legalization, and the Religious Reich. I even knew one or two who were closeted atheists. Now whenever I have the misfortune of meeting these people 10-20 years later, I discover that most of them have gone even further to the right, complaining about same sex-marriage, partial birth abortion," and how difficult it is to be white conservative christian in the face of the "liberal agenda."

Some use the "9-11 changed everything" canard for their change in attitude. Although, I don't see how the destruction of the WTC would lead one to embrace Creationism and prayer in school like my former friends have. Others that getting married and crapping out a few whiny kids "changed their outlook on life." So besides leading to a lifetime of boring, sexless, ennui (barring the sweet release of death or divorce), getting saddled with a spouse and a pack of spoiled brats turns you into a raving right-wing bigot? Yeah, sign me up for that!

I, on the other hand, went from anti-gay/anti-abortion/anti-"liberal" arch-Catholic Republican (In fact, I used to sound JUST like Cicero.) to an atheist pro-abortion, pro-gay, independent. Go figure.

Anyway, I don't hold out much hope for the GOP becoming more reasonable anytime soon. Right now the party is in the hands of a bunch of Bible-humping jingoists who aren't in any danger of retiring or dying off in the near future. By the time the current crop of young Republicans replace them, they'll be brainwashed into the cult of modern conservatism and will be just as crotchety and narrow-minded as their predecessors.
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You might find Bob Altemeyer's research into the right wing authoritarian personality relevant. IIRC, one phenomenon he reported in his book The Authoritarian Specter was that students who had high RWA scores when they started college tended to become less authoritarian as their education progressed, but often reverted to really high-RWA attitudes later in life.

One hypothesis about this is that in college one has little choice but to interact civilly with the very people one has been taught are the Evil Other*, which tends to falsify that belief with empirical knowledge. Once out of school it's easy to slip right back into original in-group and create a feedback loop that intensifies "Us (good) vs. Them (bad)" ways of thinking.

* Provided, of course, that one isn't attending a Christopathic madrassa like, say, Bob Jones or Liberty U.
 
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