Hamas crimes against humanity

[WildCat]

Using white phosphorous in a heavily populated area is a war crime.

This is factually not true.

forcing civilians into a shelter and then shelling that shelter..is a war crime.

Why are you throwing out hypotheticals already on example 2?

murdering innocent farmers in an open field..is a war crime.

More hypotheticals?

forcing hundreds of thousands of people to leave their homes, is a war crime.

More hypotheticals?

shall i continue?

You might just want to start over, this time try to include actual Israeli war crimes instead of made-up war crimes.

 

[WildCat]

lololol!!!!

The United States murdered millions of Native Americans and forced millions more from their lands. This was a war crime/crime against humanity.

Still making stuff up parky?

The USSR forced millions of Crimean Tatars from their homeland. This was a crime against humanity.

Stalin forced millions of Ukrainian farmers to give up their crops, thereby starving millions to death. This was a crime against humanity.

No international court of justice has ruled so. But we all know it to be true.

Unless, you are of course, a pig.

Wasn't the question asked of you to list the criteria for war cimes?

 

[Marc39]

This is why Hollywood loves us. Jews got one crazy sense of humor.

But finally, the Russian govt. or Czars were never tried and convicted by the International War Crimes Court in the Hague, for the Russian pogroms which killed thousands of Jews and sent millions fleeing. But we all know these were crimes against humanity.

There is no parallel. Israel was provoked into a defensive war, which is justified under international law. There is no evidence of the IDF deliberately taking the lives of Palestinians during the war. Israel took far greater precautions in Operation Cast Lead than any other military force in any other war. I don't know of another war in which one side (IDF) conducted a daily 3hour ceasefire--unilaterally--while receiving enemy fire, in order to provide humanitarian aid. And, all the while, Hamas had been stealing humanitarian aid meant for civilians. Given the routine human-shielding committed by Hamas during the war, the IDF is to be commended for minimizing civilian casualties, a result of careful planning.

 

[WildCat]

But finally, the Russian govt. or Czars were never tried and convicted by the International War Crimes Court in the Hague, for the Russian pogroms which killed thousands of Jews and sent millions fleeing. But we all know these were crimes against humanity.

What year was that?

 

[Thunder]

This is factually not true.


Why are you throwing out hypotheticals already on example 2?


More hypotheticals?


More hypotheticals?


You might just want to start over, this time try to include actual Israeli war crimes instead of made-up war crimes.

Deir Yassin did happen.

Israel did order hundreds of civilians into a shelter in Gaza and then shelled that shelter the next day.

Israel did force hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to leave in the 1948 war.

 

[Thunder]

What year was that?

Are you saying an event counts as a "War crime" only if the International War Crimes Court in the Hague says so??

so the USSR commited no war crimes?

The murder of the Native Americans was not a war crime?

the pogroms was not a crime against humanity???

was it also ok for Spain to kick out 200,000 Jews in 1492??



War Crimes, according to Wiki:

"War crimes are "violations of the laws or customs of war"; including but not limited to "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of hostages, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military necessity".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime#cite_note-black_book-0


Crimes against humanity, according to Wiki:


Crimes against humanity, as defined by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Explanatory Memorandum, "are particularly odious offences in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more human beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy (although the perpetrators need not identify themselves with this policy) or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government or a de facto authority. Murder, extermination, torture, rape, political, racial, or religious persecution and other inhumane acts reach the threshold of crimes against humanity only if they are part of a widespread or systematic practice. Isolated inhumane acts of this nature may constitute grave infringements of human rights, or depending on the circumstances, war crimes, but may fall short of falling into the category of crimes under discussion."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_humanity#cite_note-Horton-0



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_against_humanity#cite_note-Horton-0

 

[Texas]

The murder of the Native Americans was not a war crime?

I think the Native Americans gave as good as they got. Read up on the French Indian Wars, the Apache, Comanches, the Sioux and many other tribes attacks on civilian towns and farms.

 

[Marc39]

Israel did force hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to leave in the 1948 war.

The vast majority of "Palestinians" fled out of fear of war or in response to Arab leaders' calls to flee, assuring them of the opportunity to return when Israel was defeated. Those same Arab leaders have had policies in place making Palestinian resettlement difficult, such as denying citizenship to Palestinians. As early as the mid-1950’s, the eminent American historian J.C. Hurewitz undertook a thorough investigation and his findings that Arabs were not forcibly dispossessed of their homes has been confirmed by later historians and scholars. Even Benny Morris, the most influential of Israel’s revisionist “new historians,” and one who went out of his way to establish the case for Israel’s “original sin,” grudgingly conceded that there was no “design” to displace the Palestinian Arabs.

 

[DC]

I think the Native Americans gave as good as they got. Read up on the French Indian Wars, the Apache, Comanches, the Sioux and many other tribes attacks on civilian towns and farms.

oh didnt know it was selfdefence.....

 

[Marc39]

Israel did force hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to leave in the 1948 war.

The vast majority of "Palestinians" fled out of fear of war or in response to Arab leaders' calls to flee, assuring them of the opportunity to return when Israel was defeated. Those same Arab leaders have had policies in place making Palestinian resettlement difficult, such as denying citizenship to Palestinians. As early as the mid-1950’s, the eminent American historian J.C. Hurewitz undertook a thorough investigation and his findings that Arabs were not forcibly dispossessed of their homes has been confirmed by later historians and scholars. Even Benny Morris, the most influential of Israel’s revisionist “new historians,” and one who went out of his way to establish the case for Israel’s “original sin,” grudgingly conceded that there was no “design” to displace the Palestinian Arabs.

 

[doobiedoright]

The vast majority of "Palestinians" fled out of fear of war or in response to Arab leaders' calls to flee, assuring them of the opportunity to return when Israel was defeated. Those same Arab leaders have had policies in place making Palestinian resettlement difficult, such as denying citizenship to Palestinians. As early as the mid-1950’s, the eminent American historian J.C. Hurewitz undertook a thorough investigation and his findings that Arabs were not forcibly dispossessed of their homes has been confirmed by later historians and scholars. Even Benny Morris, the most influential of Israel’s revisionist “new historians,” and one who went out of his way to establish the case for Israel’s “original sin,” grudgingly conceded that there was no “design” to displace the Palestinian Arabs.

Ouch thats going to leave a mark,but I am sure it will be ignored!

 

[Oliver]

According to Wikipedia, over 50 Palestinians have been killed by Hamas in reprisal attacks against suspected collaborators and others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2009_attacks_in_Gaza
According to Fatah, 181 Palestinians have been ruthlessly murdered or maimed by Hamas:
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=35455
Their reign of terror must be ended for the welfare of ALL.

I still wonder how the media could tell Hamas, Al Aqsa, the Popular Resistance Committees, the Ahmed Abu Reish Brigades and Islamic Jihad apart ...

... of course, if they actually intend to do that part of their job.

 

[gdnp]

The vast majority of "Palestinians" fled out of fear of war or in response to Arab leaders' calls to flee, assuring them of the opportunity to return when Israel was defeated. Those same Arab leaders have had policies in place making Palestinian resettlement difficult, such as denying citizenship to Palestinians. As early as the mid-1950’s, the eminent American historian J.C. Hurewitz undertook a thorough investigation and his findings that Arabs were not forcibly dispossessed of their homes has been confirmed by later historians and scholars. Even Benny Morris, the most influential of Israel’s revisionist “new historians,” and one who went out of his way to establish the case for Israel’s “original sin,” grudgingly conceded that there was no “design” to displace the Palestinian Arabs.

This is far from a settled historical issue, to my knowledge. But let us concede for the sake of argument that what you say is true.

Does the poor treatment of the Palestinians by Arab countries in any way justify Israel's subsequent actions? It's as if you are arguing "I don't have to give the money back: I didn't shoot them, I just looted the corpses".

 

[Thunder]

T Even Benny Morris, the most influential of Israel’s revisionist “new historians,” and one who went out of his way to establish the case for Israel’s “original sin,” grudgingly conceded that there was no “design” to displace the Palestinian Arabs.

If Israel had no intention of kicking out 750,000 Arabs from Israel..then why have they never offered to let even half of them back??

Hmmmmm????

 

[luchog]

If Israel had no intention of kicking out 750,000 Arabs from Israel..

You're reaching. Badly.

"Israel kicked out the Palestinian Arabs!"

"No, it's well-documented that they left, they weren't kicked out".

"Well, Israel was intending to kick them out. Darn those Arabs for leaving before Israel could prove how evil it is by kicking them out!".

then why have they never offered to let even half of them back??

Dunno. Maybe that whole "Push the Jews into the sea!" thing?

 

[Marc39]

This is far from a settled historical issue, to my knowledge. But let us concede for the sake of argument that what you say is true.

Does the poor treatment of the Palestinians by Arab countries in any way justify Israel's subsequent actions? It's as if you are arguing "I don't have to give the money back: I didn't shoot them, I just looted the corpses".

You present one of several circular arguments involving the Israelis and Palestinians. Both have been guilty of bad behavior. The Palestinians and Arabs, however, seem to be nursing a 60-year grudge, while, the Israelis have long since moved on with their lives.

 

[The Fool]

Even Benny Morris, the most influential of Israel’s revisionist “new historians,” and one who went out of his way to establish the case for Israel’s “original sin,” grudgingly conceded that there was no “design” to displace the Palestinian Arabs.

Benny's own words...
"“That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.”


AND

"One of the revelations in the book is that on October 31, 1948, the commander of the Northern Front, Moshe Carmel, issued an order in writing to his units to expedite the removal of the Arab population. Carmel took this action immediately after a visit by Ben-Gurion to the Northern Command in Nazareth. There is no doubt in my mind that this order originated with Ben-Gurion. Just as the expulsion order for the city of Lod, which was signed by Yitzhak Rabin, was issued immediately after Ben-Gurion visited the headquarters of Operation Dani [July 1948].”

source: http://israels60thbirthday.com/2008/06/02/rape-massacre-transfer/


You may now return to your normal program of lying for Israel...

 

[webfusion]

If Israel had no intention of kicking out 750,000 Arabs from Israel..then why have they never offered to let even half of them back??

Hmmmmm????

Hmmmmmmm, the majority of those Arabs never left "Palestine" at all.
They moved a few kilometers down the road, remaining within the environs of what, for the previous centuries, had been considered Historic Palestine Lands.

 

[Marc39]

Benny's own words...
"“That can’t be chance. It’s a pattern. Apparently, various officers who took part in the operation understood that the expulsion order they received permitted them to do these deeds in order to encourage the population to take to the roads. The fact is that no one was punished for these acts of murder. Ben-Gurion silenced the matter. He covered up for the officers who did the massacres.”

Do tell Wikipedia they need to update their entry for Morris. After Morris was busted by "old historians" on his manipulation of Ben Gurion's statements and his falsification of various historical documents, Morris was forced to recant his previous allegations. You may now return to Googling-For-Message-Board-Responses.

 

[Thunder]

Hmmmmmmm, the majority of those Arabs never left "Palestine" at all.
They moved a few kilometers down the road, remaining within the environs of what, for the previous centuries, had been considered Historic Palestine Lands.

they were kicked out of their homes and never allowed to return. this is all that matters.