PSYOPS against Venezuela ?

WildCat said:
See the LA Times article I posted above.


So then why does he let them stay in Venezuela unmolested?


In this universe, they did show it to the world. I have no idea what goes on in the alternate universe you live in.


Speaking of taking someone's word, do you have a quote from any of those documents that support Gollinger's claims yet? Why is this so difficult for you?
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where can i find that evidence they showed to the world?
LA times? what is their evidence or source?
 
dann said:
Do you have any reason to doubt that the USA use propaganda in an attempt to destabilize Chavez's Venezuela?
If the PSYOPS are actually better at their job than for instance dudalb with his tedious knee-jerk reactions remains to be seen.
Congratulations, DC. You provide the forum with a piece of information, and the right-wingers aren't able to come up with more than insults.
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One would hope they'd be effective against Chavez, who's apparently assembling a list of unfavorable journalists, and it ain't for the purpose of ostracizing them from daily briefings.
 
When people oppose the government in Venezuela, it's foreign PSYOP operations.

When people oppose the government in the USA, it's business as usual.
 
Pardalis said:
When people oppose the government in Venezuela, it's foreign PSYOP operations.

When people oppose the government in the USA, it's business as usual.
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no. almost half of Venezuela is opposed to the Bolivarian revolution, and also in Venezuela accusations of corruption etc are the norm among politicans.

But the newsreport in our newspapers are pretty propagandistic, very onesided, often even blatant lies or missquotes etc. Also the Press in Venezuela itself, the private owned media outlets have a pretty hard time to publish anything positiv about Chavez or the PSUV. (while the few Public outlets critizise Chavez to less)

and im convinced that parts of it is pure propaganda, also coming from Washington.
Hoped it may change under Obama, but doesnt look like.
 
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Beerina said:
One would hope they'd be effective against Chavez, who's apparently assembling a list of unfavorable journalists, and it ain't for the purpose of ostracizing them from daily briefings.
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what is the purpose of that map/list?
 
funk de fino said:
Sorry, does not work that way. I am commenting on your terrible cherrypick attempt to defend the hero again.
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its a very important point, especialy when that evidence one day would be used in front of a court in a trial against Chavez. it will not be accepted.
such important evidence should be handled folowing the international recognised prinziples.

they should have made images of the devices, and not just acces them. it looks very very suspect.
 
Slayhamlet said:
The main use in Colombia would be in trying to reduce support for FARC among the civilian population, through propaganda mostly, rather than messing with FARC's heads. They'd rather just let the Colombian Army kill FARC in whatever way they can.
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Well more accurately the strategy would fall under Moral and Mental Warfare.

Moral Warfare involves the destruction of the enemy's will to win achieved by things such as alienating them from allies, causing internal fragmentation, breaking down the mutual trust and common outlook.

Mental Warefare involves the distortion of the perception of reality through severing misinformation, disinformation, ambiguous posturing, and severing the communications structures.


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Dictator Cheney said:
its a very important point, especialy when that evidence one day would be used in front of a court in a trial against Chavez. it will not be accepted.
such important evidence should be handled folowing the international recognised prinziples.

they should have made images of the devices, and not just acces them. it looks very very suspect.
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Tell us what the rest of the doc says you linked to. About recommendations from Interpol based on this case. Interpol do not say it look very very suspect at all do they?

And dont give us that doesnt stand up in court guff. What about anything you post? What about any proof of anything Chavez accuses people of? You have nothing either.

Finding 2: All seized FARC computer exhibits were accessed by Colombian authorities between 1 March 2008, when they were seized, and 10 March 2008, when they were handed over to INTERPOL’s computer forensic experts.

Finding 2a: Access to the data contained in the eight seized FARC computer exhibits by the Grupo Investigativo de Delitos Informáticos of the Colombian Judicial Police between their receipt at 11:45 a.m. on 3 March 2008 and their handover to INTERPOL’s computer forensic experts on 10 March 2008 conformed to internationally recognized principles for handling electronic evidence by law enforcement.

Finding 2b:Access to the data contained in the eight FARC computer exhibits between 1 March 2008, when they were seized by Colombian authorities, and 3 March 2008 at 11:45 a.m., when they were turned over to the Grupo Investigativo de Delitos Informáticos of the Colombian Judicial Police, did not conform to internationally recognized principles for handling electronic evidence by law enforcement.

Finding 3: INTERPOL found no evidence that user files were created, modified or deleted on any of the eight seized FARC computer exhibits following their seizure on 1 March 2008 by Colombian authorities.
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Why did you not post it all?

They had to look at the PC to see if there anything on it before calling Interpol in.

Finally, INTERPOL’s CompFor IRT has identified a number of issues with regard to the conduct of international computer forensic examinations and with regard to the handling of electronic evidence by law enforcement officials, especially those who are the first to respond to a crime scene. These issues are not only directly relevant to Colombia but also for law enforcement officers in all of INTERPOL’s 186 member countries. Addressing them effectively requires INTERPOL and its member countries to develop a number of initiatives which are explained in detail in Part 6 “Recommendations for INTERPOL and its member countries”) of this report.
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What does that say?

They could not do a proper forensic image as the first responders were not qualified either, the guys who were qualified did the images.

It does not mean the evidence cannot be used in court or accepted, it would just mean the forensic experts job would be more complicated saying it had not been modified.
 
funk de fino said:
They dont tell lies they just post what the govt say. They miss out the bad stuff.
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ahah you got evidence that they do print what they got said by the government?

i didnt say they are fair and balanced. I called it myself already a pro-chavez website. there are only a handfull article that are somewhat critical.
I also said i dont use it as only source.

They do provide alot good background information and indepth reports.

But i guess as soon someone is not demonizing Chavez, they are a STATE propaganda institution.....


anyway, you have something to contribute to the topic?
 
They had to look at the PC to see if there anything on it before calling Interpol in.
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No, normaly you make a ghost image of the devices's data, that is also in the report, just read it.
 
and still, where can i find that alleged evidence?
i never saw it been presented like it was claimed here.
uribe said he would go to the international court, but he didnt so far. why?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
No, normaly you make a ghost image of the devices's data, that is also in the report, just read it.
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Except the first responders could not do that. read the report. especiually the recommendations. It needs to be special forensic software. They did not know they needed Interpol until after they saw what was on the PC. Do you even read your own links?

It is still allowable in a court of law.

I contribute enough to this thread that you had to snip out most of my post because you could not answer it.
 
In this universe, they did show it to the world. I have no idea what goes on in the alternate universe you live in.
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can you please post a link to a site that presents that evidence in your universe?
my google didnt find anything
 
Dictator Cheney said:
ahah you got evidence that they do print what they got said by the government?

i didnt say they are fair and balanced. I called it myself already a pro-chavez website. there are only a handfull article that are somewhat critical.
I also said i dont use it as only source.

They do provide alot good background information and indepth reports.

But i guess as soon someone is not demonizing Chavez, they are a STATE propaganda institution.....


anyway, you have something to contribute to the topic?
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Show us them then. You are a blatant hypocrite. You use biased media and then call us out for it.

can we use the BBC?
 
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