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Are Most Conservatives Really Conservatives

Sefarst said:
Isn't there a 1996 interview with Obama for a British newspaper where he says he's pro-gay marriage?
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He may have said that in 1996 but today he is 100% anti-gay marriage. His reason? Obama's Christian beliefs tell him it's wrong.
 
lupus_in_fabula said:
That's weird because I could almost swear he adamantly denied being a conservative when presented as such during a presentation of him in a CNBC show (it might have been on Hardball). I remember him actually denying any obvious political affiliation. Although I notice you use the phrasing 'identified himself in the past'. Personally I think he only agreed with some limited neocon ideas, mainly that of the invasion of Iraq.
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Well it's possible I'm wrong. He's more than likely a hodgepodge of various ideas. I tend to consider him a neocon and am pretty sure he's said something along the lines of, "you could probably call me a neoconservative if I'm any kind of affiliation." However, I don't have a source for it.
 
Sefarst said:
Well it's possible I'm wrong. He's more than likely a hodgepodge of various ideas. I tend to consider him a neocon and am pretty sure he's said something along the lines of, "you could probably call me a neoconservative if I'm any kind of affiliation." However, I don't have a source for it.
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Well, I was wrong about it happening on CNBC's Hardball. Instead I was during a CNN show in 2006 where he adamantly denied being 'any kind of conservative'.

From the presentation, here's the actual saying: "no no wait, you did not get: not a conservative!" ...and after some confusion... "well I have no party affiliation and no ideological one, but I'm no kind of conservative."

Here's the link to the CNN-clip.
 
Alt+F4 said:
Civil Union? Why should gays be satisfied with just that?
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Well, we shouldn't, but it is a pro-gay stance around here.

Obama hasn't repealed Don't Ask, Don't Tell or the Defense of Marriage Act and I doubt he ever will.
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Er, there is still plenty of time.

As for employment non-discrimination, from today's New York Times:



If Obama isn't anti-gay why hasn't he done something about this?

Linky:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/13/us/politics/13benefits.html
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There is still time, people are saying he is taking on too much, so I'm willing to wait more than three months into his term.
 
I think all but the most fanatical obamabots can admit that he is probably worlds better than bush, or at least we can give him some leeway for a bit.

But this devotional idea that he gives a crap about anything important to freedom or secularism is entirely without merit

Heres a hint : "Anyone but bush" fits nicely into the false dichotomy category

His ABB status is not on its own reason enough for the ministry of truth of his sheepl
 
pipelineaudio said:
I think all but the most fanatical obamabots can admit that he is probably worlds better than bush, or at least we can give him some leeway for a bit.

But this devotional idea that he gives a crap about anything important to freedom or secularism is entirely without merit

Heres a hint : "Anyone but bush" fits nicely into the false dichotomy category

His ABB status is not on its own reason enough for the ministry of truth of his sheepl
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Is that English?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
So because he hasn't acted fast enough for you, he is anti-gay?
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No, the fact that he used with some of the most hardcore anti-homosexual and anti science theocrats in the country for his campaign, including chosing one of them to swear him in would be better evidence
 
pipelineaudio said:
No, the fact that he used with some of the most hardcore anti-homosexual and anti science theocrats in the country for his campaign, including chosing one of them to swear him in would be better evidence
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Ah, so it is his associates and not his policies that make him a social conservative and anti-gay. That makes much more sense.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
:rolleyes: Funny, I don't recall you talking about judicial appointments, or appointments of any consequence.
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Nice mental gymnastics there. Are you going for the Josh McDowell Award in Apologetics?

How about that he proposes to expand, not end Clinton's faith based initiatives, a religious based extension of government in direct conflict with the constitution.

How about his support for faith based hiring practices?

I know there is a religious need to pretend obama is perfect and all, but reality dictates otherwise
 
pipelineaudio said:
Nice mental gymnastics there. Are you going for the Josh McDowell Award in Apologetics?

How about that he proposes to expand, not end Clinton's faith based initiatives, a religious based extension of government in direct conflict with the constitution.

How about his support for faith based hiring practices?

I know there is a religious need to pretend obama is perfect and all, but reality dictates otherwise
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... So his faith based community programs make him anti-gay?
 
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