Iraqi Journalist Throws Shoes At Bush..Misses

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Well, Parky, for starters:

1). You don't think Israel has no right to exist or to defend itself, even if we may disagree on some, or even many, of Israel's policies.

2). Nor are you a lying hypocrite who claims to care about human rights... but in reality cares about human rights only when you can blame Israel for violating them.

3). Nor do you think everything Israel does is automatically wrong, or that everything the Palestinians or the Arabs or Muslims in general do is a "reaction to the occupation", and whose "root cause" is the existence of Israel.

A few minor differences, here, between you and certain other posters who criticize Israel. For those posters, their real beef with Israel, despite their unconvincing protestations to the contrary, is its very existence as a Jewish state. You, whatever our disagreements about specific Israeli policies, do not think that.

I like the way, incidentally, that these folks think that wanting the Jewish state dismantled, and that the Jewish state--alone of all the nations in the world, of course--is illegitimate and has no right to exist, is NOT antisemitism, but "only anti-Zionism". That's about as logical as saying, "I don't hate all Black people, only those who don't know their place should be lynched."

Your post is so transparent. Where you go wrong and where you expose yourself is that you ALWAYS try to make the Zionist/Israel issue a Jewish Issue so you can spew up the tired old cry of Anti-Semite!!

But where you seem totally blind is that Zionists created Israel on land owned by others and turfed them off. Israel has since embarked upon a systematic racial persecution of the Palestinians, ghettoization of the Palestinians for the last 60 years.

I suppose you think all that behavior is OK don't you? So in your eyes the only reason people could be criticizing Israel is because it's population is mainly Jews.

You also have a chip on your shoulder about the world hating Jews. Just because christianity has been generally anti-semitic over the last 2,000 years don't blame the rest of us.

You need to start appreciating that the vast majority of people's criticisms of Israel have nothing to do anyone being Jewish. Who cares what race you are? What does it matter? Get over yourself

 

[Oliver]

CNN: Iraqis build Bush shoe-throwing monument

 

[Tricky]

CNN: Iraqis build Bush shoe-throwing monument

Yes, it's very nice.

 

[Cicero]

Isn't that a coincidence? The monument of Muntadhir al-Zaidi's shoe found a home in the region of Tikrit, Saddams's birth place. Laith al-Amiri is rumored to be working on a giant Odor-Eaters Insole sculpture so the shoe will not offend the orphans.

 

[Cicero]

The monumnet lasted 1 day. Ah well, maybe Laith al-Amiri will have better luck with a giant Birkenstock.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.shoe.monument/

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

The monumnet lasted 1 day. Ah well, maybe Laith al-Amiri will have better luck with a giant Birkenstock.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.shoe.monument/

Well at least it further shows how the Current Iraqi Government is invader friendly. Democracy in Iraq is currently... You can vote for anything as long as it's ratified by the Americans

I think the magnificent shoe statue should be erected in front of the Whitehouse to show Americans not to forget the dangers of a rotten presidency.

 

[Cicero]

Well at least it further shows how the Current Iraqi Government is invader friendly. Democracy in Iraq is currently... You can vote for anything as long as it's ratified by the Americans

I think the magnificent shoe statue should be erected in front of the Whitehouse to show Americans not to forget the dangers of a rotten presidency.

"We will not allow anyone to use the government facilities and buildings for political motives," said Abdullah Jabara, Salaheddin deputy governor."

It seems Iraq follows the same guidelines as the U.S. does about using government property to erect personal political statements.

We already have a monument 1/4 mile from The White House that reminds Americans of the dangers of 3 rotten Presidents; The Vietnam Memorial

 

[Dr Adequate]

Bumped because "Skeptic" is once more talking about "absurd conspiracy theories about Bush".

 

[Lonewulf]

My Orwell quote was not aimed at Bush et al, but at Skeptic, when he claimed that WMDs were never offered as the main reason for invading Iraq. This is a blatant rewriting of history. This is indeed on a par with Stalin airbrushing Trotsky out of photographs and with the Orwellian statement that "We have always been at war with Eastasia."

But there never were any WMDs, ergo, Bush never talked about WMDs!

Simple, eh?

Why do you have to make this so complicated?!

 

[BPSCG]

The monumnet lasted 1 day. Ah well, maybe Laith al-Amiri will have better luck with a giant Birkenstock.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.shoe.monument/

From the linked article:

"We will not allow anyone to use the government facilities and buildings for political motives," said Abdullah Jabara, Salaheddin deputy governor.

I think we can point to at least one way in which Iraqi governance is more mature than American. Wouldn't it be great if the no one were allowed to use the U.S. Capitol and the White House for "political motives"?

 

[Cicero]

Muntadhar al-Zeidi gets three years (the minimum sentence) in prison for hurling Florsheim's at Bush.

"I have great faith in the Iraqi judiciary. It is a judiciary that is both just and has integrity," al-Zeidi responded."

Munt must have a lot of confidence in the Iraqi appellate court.

Amazing how much sympathy this guy gets from American "journalists." Lourdes Garcia-Navarro and Steve Inskeep never once mentioned that Munt was a Saddam supporter and that the shoe monument, that lasted 1 day, was erected in Saddam's home of Tikrit.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=101777924&ft=1&f=1004

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Guy gets 3 years for throwing a couple of shoes in the direction of Bush and misses.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of a million and gets a fat pension and a place in his retirement home to stand that botox mannequin called Laura.

There's no justice.

 

[Brainster]

Guy gets 3 years for throwing a couple of shoes in the direction of Bush and misses.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of a million and gets a fat pension and a place in his retirement home to stand that botox mannequin called Laura.

There's no justice.

And you're still in Mom's basement.

I blame the Jooos for that.

Please refrain from personal attacks. Remember to be civil and attack the argument, not the arguer. Thank you.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

And you're still in Mom's basement.

I blame the Jooos for that.

The irony. such a childish personal attack.

 

[gumboot]

Apparently "assault on foreign leader" is significantly different to just "assault" and carries a minimum sentence of 3 years.

This case appears to have been tried entirely by the book, so no issues with it. I personally think the sentencing limits are a bit harsh, but it's not my country.

 

[Cicero]

Guy gets 3 years for throwing a couple of shoes in the direction of Bush and misses.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of a million and gets a fat pension and a place in his retirement home to stand that botox mannequin called Laura.

There's no justice.

I wonder why Munt has more faith in the Iraqi criminal justice system than you do?

After Nancy Pelosi's treatments, even Joan Rivers would have to scramble to find any BOTOX®

 

[Cicero]

Apparently "assault on foreign leader" is significantly different to just "assault" and carries a minimum sentence of 3 years.

This case appears to have been tried entirely by the book, so no issues with it. I personally think the sentencing limits are a bit harsh, but it's not my country.

"Squeaky" Fromme drew an empty chamber Colt .45 Government Automatic on Ford when he reached to shake her hand in a crowd. She was sentenced to life in prison. If she threw her pumps at Ford, do you think she would have gotten probation?

 

[gumboot]

"Squeaky" Fromme drew an empty chamber Colt .45 Government Automatic on Ford when he reached to shake her hand in a crowd. She was sentenced to life in prison. If she threw her pumps at Ford, do you think she would have gotten probation?

You're being a bit dishonest there. The pistol's chamber was empty but the magazine had four rounds in it, and she was convicted of attempted assassination not assault.

I don't think she would have been convicted of attempted assassination if she'd thrown shoes at him.

In addition she directed her actions against her own head of state, not a foreign visiting head of state.

Assault isn't even a federal crime in the USA, so had Fromme thrown a shoe at someone and missed it would have been simple Assault under California law, which has a maximum sentence of $1000 fine or 6 months in jail.

Even if she had hit him it would only add an additional maximum of $2000 fine or 6 months in prison.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I wonder why Munt has more faith in the Iraqi criminal justice system than you do?

Errrrrr, it's not the Iraqi criminal justice system that's the problem is it? Bush is the one that got off

After Nancy Pelosi's treatments, even Joan Rivers would have to scramble to find any BOTOX®

You ain't kidding.

 

[Cicero]

You're being a bit dishonest there. The pistol's chamber was empty but the magazine had four rounds in it, and she was convicted of attempted assassination not assault.

I don't think she would have been convicted of attempted assassination if she'd thrown shoes at him.

In addition she directed her actions against her own head of state, not a foreign visiting head of state.

Assault isn't even a federal crime in the USA, so had Fromme thrown a shoe at someone and missed it would have been simple Assault under California law, which has a maximum sentence of $1000 fine or 6 months in jail.

Even if she had hit him it would only add an additional maximum of $2000 fine or 6 months in prison.

She would have been convicted of attempted assassination if she struck Ford in the head with spiked heels. Since the .45's chamber was empty, it was not about the lethality of the weapon, since Fromme didn't squeeze the trigger, rather it was the perceived threat of imminent danger to the President that got her what she wanted, life in prison.

If Fromme had drawn an automatic with an empty chamber on a civilian, she would not get life in prison. Had she done the same thing to a visiting head of state, I doubt she would be given a slap on the wrist.

Even in your own scenario, Munt would get at least a year in the slammer if this happened in the U.S. and Bush was just another civilian, and hadn't ducked.

What do you suppose would be the penalty for Munt had he done the same thing to Talibani? More time, less time?