Iraqi Journalist Throws Shoes At Bush..Misses

[gumboot]

She would have been convicted of attempted assassination if she struck Ford in the head with spiked heels.

Evidence?

Since the .45's chamber was empty, it was not about the lethality of the weapon, since Fromme didn't squeeze the trigger, rather it was the perceived threat of imminent danger to the President that got her what she wanted, life in prison.

This is false. The weapon was a deadly weapon, with ammunition in the magazine. Had she pulled the trigger a couple of times, she would have killed him. The prosecution case was that the USSS prevented her doing this.

If Fromme had drawn an automatic with an empty chamber on a civilian, she would not get life in prison. Had she done the same thing to a visiting head of state, I doubt she would be given a slap on the wrist.

Attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon, depending on if the prosecution could successfully argue she had intended to shoot.

Even in your own scenario, Munt would get at least a year in the slammer if this happened in the U.S. and Bush was just another civilian, and hadn't ducked.

No. In California he would have received a maximum sentence of 1 year in prison (probably not actually, because both sentences would probably be served at the same time).

What do you suppose would be the penalty for Munt had he done the same thing to Talibani? More time, less time?

And the relevance? The sentence is fair because it's less harsh than probably the most ruthless regime to exist in the last decade? Seriously?

Next time anyone complains about a harsh sentence I'll be sure to point out that by Roman standards they got off lightly...

 

[Cicero]

Evidence?




This is false. The weapon was a deadly weapon, with ammunition in the magazine. Had she pulled the trigger a couple of times, she would have killed him. The prosecution case was that the USSS prevented her doing this.

She could have cocked and pulled the trigger a 1000 times and nothing would have happened. This is not a revolver, or even a double action automatic, it was a Colt .45 automatic. She would have had to pull the slide back to chamber a round.

Attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon, depending on if the prosecution could successfully argue she had intended to shoot.

Had it not been the President, it would have been an ADW charge.

No. In California he would have received a maximum sentence of 1 year in prison (probably not actually, because both sentences would probably be served at the same time).

Evidence that the sentence would be served concurrently and not consecutively? Had an American citizen done the same thing to a visiting head of state, it would be a federal crime and not tried in a California state court.

And the relevance? The sentence is fair because it's less harsh than probably the most ruthless regime to exist in the last decade? Seriously?

Next time anyone complains about a harsh sentence I'll be sure to point out that by Roman standards they got off lightly...

Ruthless regiem? President Talibani is now more ruthless than Saddam? OK

Again, explain how three years is a harsh sentence in Iraq when the maximum was 15 under Iraqi law?

 

[gumboot]

Ruthless regiem? President Talibani is now more ruthless than Saddam? OK

Oops, for some reason I thought you were talking about the Taliban...

I don't know if Iraq has special rules for crimes committed against the President.

Again, explain how three years is a harsh sentence in Iraq when the maximum was 15 under Iraqi law?

I didn't say it was a harsh sentence in Iraq. In fact I thought I made it pretty clear I thought the trial was completely reasonable and fair, in keeping with Iraqi law. I merely said that I felt the Iraqi sentencing limits (3 - 15yrs) were a bit harsh.

I cite the example of California which has substantially lighter sentences for the same crime.

 

[Cicero]

Oops, for some reason I thought you were talking about the Taliban...

I don't know if Iraq has special rules for crimes committed against the President.




I didn't say it was a harsh sentence in Iraq. In fact I thought I made it pretty clear I thought the trial was completely reasonable and fair, in keeping with Iraqi law. I merely said that I felt the Iraqi sentencing limits (3 - 15yrs) were a bit harsh.

I cite the example of California which has substantially lighter sentences for the same crime.

Considering how difficult it is for a California jury to convict any high profile defendant, maybe that state's sentencing isn't the best example of American jurisprudence.

 

[Texas]

Considering how difficult it is for a California jury to convict any high profile defendant, maybe that state's sentencing isn't the best example of American jurisprudence.

Even though Bush made it clear that it was no big deal to him, what this guy did is an unforgivable violation of "hospitality" in the Arab world be it Iraq or Saudi Arabia. Had he thrown the shoes at Talibani he would have probably been beaten senseless and let go.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Even though Bush made it clear that it was no big deal to him, what this guy did is an unforgivable violation of "hospitality" in the Arab world be it Iraq or Saudi Arabia. Had he thrown the shoes at Talibani he would have probably been beaten senseless and let go.

I think the shoe thrower guy is excellent!!!. I'm just sorry he missed Bush. I would have laughed my ass off had he broke Bush's nose with one of those shoes.

Considering the deaths and misery Bush has been a large part of causing I think he would have gotten off very lightly. Bush shoulda been in Guantanamo for a few years having constant Eminem played at full volume for 24-7 and a spot of occasional waterboarding.

 

[Cicero]

I think the shoe thrower guy is excellent!!!. I'm just sorry he missed Bush. I would have laughed my ass off had he broke Bush's nose with one of those shoes.

Considering the deaths and misery Bush has been a large part of causing I think he would have gotten off very lightly. Bush shoulda been in Guantanamo for a few years having constant Eminem played at full volume for 24-7 and a spot of occasional waterboarding.

If Bush invaded Israel and brought death, destruction and misery to that country, I bet you would be outraged at any Israelis who even threw a matza ball at him.

 

[Cicero]

Munt's sentence reduced from 3 years to 1 year. Even gets credit for time served before his conviction.

"We welcome this fair decision that shows the independence and the integrity of the Iraqi judiciary system," said another al-Zeidi's attorney, Yahya al-Ittabi.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/0407200...shoe_thrower_gets_reduced_sentence_163339.htm

 

[Toke]

Munt's sentence reduced from 3 years to 1 year. Even gets credit for time served before his conviction.

Sounds fine to me.

It is obviusly a PR-stunt from the Iraki DOJ

 

[Cicero]

Muntadhar al-Zeidi the Al-Baghdadiya reality TV star.

Iraqi shoe thrower released; says he was tortured


"Some Iraqis said fear of a repeat of recent massive bombings in Baghdad, a crackdown by security forces or the fatigue caused by the dawn-to-dusk fast during the current Muslim month of Ramadan kept them from celebrating al-Zeidi’s release."

Or

"But nine months later, there was little public outpouring of support for him, a sign of how things have changed."



"That he was jailed and released testifies that we have a democracy in Iraq and that America does not control Iraq,” said Haidar Jabar, a mini-market owner from southwest Baghdad."


I wonder if Munt shares Jabar's sentiments?

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/iraqi-shoe-thrower-released-says-he-was-tortured

 

[JihadJane]

Hee hee - the murderer Bush got shoed.

 

[Peephole]

Well, it's good thing that that million+ of Iraqis died so their compatriots could at least be free from tortu- oh ****

 

[JihadJane]

'TRNN Exclusive: The man that "shoed" Bush'

Interview with Muntadhar Al-Zaidi

http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=74&jumival=560