Molten Steel

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BigAl said:
The "core area" was a small fraction of the floor. The rest of the floor was filled with flammable material.
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Actually it was a large area, 28% of the total area. The point is:
The fires could not have weakened the columns in the interior of the core.

Clearly, the floors on fire were hotter than 250C.
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It takes time to heat up steel. The fires were hotter than 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C but they did not heat the core columns to more than 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C.
 
Christopher7 said:
Actually it was a large area, 28% of the total area. The point is:
The fires could not have weakened the columns in the interior of the core.

It takes time to heat up steel. The fires were hotter than 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C but they did not heat the core columns to more than 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C.
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Even to the degree it is true, what does it have to do with the nature of the molten metal seen flowing from one tower?
 
BigAl said:
What does the "core area" have to do with the blaze and molten metal coming out a corner window?
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I love his implication that the cores remained tidy after the impacts. Just elevator shafts and hallways, dontcha know? Where can I get some of that SuperGypsum Airliner-Deflecto-Wallboard?

:mgduh
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Chris is just repeating the same strawman that the recovered samples who's location relative to the impact region was known based on intact labeling of the columns. And NIST clearly states that the samples that were analyzed based on their known locations are not representative of all the columns inside the towers.
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It's true that the lack of evidence due to the destruction of 99% of the evidence makes it impossible to prove the Official Collapse Theory.

The net result is:
There is NO evidence of temperatures above 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C to the core columns.
 
Christopher7 said:
It's true that the lack of evidence due to the destruction of 99% of the evidence makes it impossible to prove the Official Collapse Theory.

The net result is:
There is NO evidence of temperatures above 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C to the core columns.
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Even if true, what does that have to with the blaze on the corner of the floor that was hot enough to melt aluminum, at the very least.
 
Gravy said:
I love his implication that the cores remained tidy after the impacts. Just elevator shafts and hallways, dontcha know? Where can I get some of that SuperGypsum Airliner-Deflecto-Wallboard?
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BigAl,
My remarks on the core were in response to Sunstealer.

Mark,
The elevator shaft areas contained NO combustibles. The fuselage of the airplane clipped the corner of the core. The wings were shattered into a thousand pieces upon contact with the exterior steel frame. There may have been some debris knocked into the hallways but it cannot be said how much.

Bottom line:
NIST cannot verify temperatures above 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C for any of the core columns.
 
Senenmut said:
why??? would you NOT want to see the pics he took? he was there 8 days after the attack.
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I know that my ability to make meaningful judgments about out-of-context photos is extremely limited. For instance, if someone says, "Look at the end of this column: it's obviously been cut by thermite," I can point to photos that show the characteristics of thermite attack versus normal torch cuts. But without more information I can't tell where the column was located, when it was cut, or what conditions it was subjected to before and after collapse.

I'm asking why you want to see the photos. Astaneh has already published photos that he found interesting (and he made some incorrect judgments in his early assessments), and you have demonstrated your inability to say anything meaningful about them, or about any other photos.

Do you expect, on seeing more photos, to be suddenly blessed with the gift of remote structural and metallurgical clairvoyance?
 
Christopher7 said:
Mark,
The elevator shaft areas contained NO combustibles.
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If I didn't know you better I'd say that was a devious little remark (a bit like alternating references to molten steel and molten metal .. something you do all the time). The elevator shafts themselves might have contained little or no combustibles, but no doubt the core area in general did.

However, that's by the by. The core area was - of course - closely bordered by the office space, and the strongest core columns were towards the perimeter :

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GlennB said:
The elevator shafts themselves might have contained little or no combustibles, but no doubt the core area in general did.
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The washrooms did not contain much in the way of combustibles.
Hallways don't contain combustibles other than carpet.

However, that's by the by. The core area was - of course - closely bordered by the office space,

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/sap-guy/corearchitecture.jpg
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Correct. One side of some of the core columns would be exposed to the fires.

the strongest core columns were towards the perimeter
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Source?

You keep ignoring the bottom line:

NIST cannot verify temperatures above 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C for any of the core columns.
 
GlennB said:
If I didn't know you better I'd say that was a devious little remark (a bit like alternating references to molten steel and molten metal .. something you do all the time). The elevator shafts themselves might have contained little or no combustibles, but no doubt the core area in general did.

However, that's by the by. The core area was - of course - closely bordered by the office space, and the strongest core columns were towards the perimeter :
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GlennB, anyone with half a brain knows that the SuperGypsum Airliner-Deflecto-Wallboard kept all combustible debris out of the core areas. That's why everyone above the impact areas was able to walk to safety.

To understand this, please remove half of your brain.


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Christopher7 said:
I admit when I am wrong and change my position accordingly. You refuse to even acknowledge that you LIED about the samples in the FEMA report being tested, much less admit you were wrong.
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I showed that you were wrong about claiming there were government scientists who told Voorsanger there was molten metal in the meteorite and you refuse to admit it.

Did you think nobody noticed, Chris?
 
Gravy said:
GlennB, anyone with half a brain knows that the SuperGypsum Airliner-Deflecto-Wallboard kept all combustible debris out of the core areas. That's why everyone above the impact areas was able to walk to safety.

To understand this, please remove half of your brain.
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He already has. :D

BTW: Your strawman argument "SuperGypsum Airliner-Deflecto-Wallboard kept all combustible debris out of the core areas." is your usual fabrication/distortion of what I said.
 
Christopher7 said:
I made no false statement. What statement are you talking about?
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You said the supplied pictures of glowing aluminium were all in dark rooms. This was a lie. Whitelion clearly gave you pics that were taken outside.

Will you retract?

ETA - just in case you forgot

C7 said:
All the photos where the aluminum glows red are in dark rooms.
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bje said:
I showed that you were wrong about claiming there were government scientists who told Voorsanger there was molten metal in the meteorite and you refuse to admit it.

Did you think nobody noticed, Chris?
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On the contrary, I had noticed my error and corrected it in a subsequent post before anyone commented on it.

Furthermore I acknowledged the error in another post yet you continue to lie about my not admitting the mistake.
 
Christopher7 said:
Source?
The washrooms did not contain much in the way of combustibles.
Hallways don't contain combustibles other than carpet.

Correct. One side of some of the core columns would be exposed to the fires.

Source?

You keep ignoring the bottom line:

NIST cannot verify temperatures above 250[FONT=&quot]°[/FONT]C for any of the core columns.
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What is your point?
 
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