Molten Steel

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So what? Your implication that yo have to be some kind of expert to recognize molten steel is simply not true. He was at ground zero. He knew the center of the towers area was hot enough to melt steel. He could see steel and solidified molten steel in the "meteorite".
No. This is your interpretation of his words, and is not at all the only inference consistent with his words. Indeed, it would appear, unless you can produce another, that you are the only person who interprets his words this way.
Only the fanatic defenders of the Official Collapse Theory on this forum doubt what Mr. Voorsanger said.
I will gladly apologize if you produce those other people, but until then... Liar.
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Lie detected.
 
Ok, actually, this post is brilliant, for two simple details--the "known" and the "the" in "the molten metal".
I much prefer his 2006 and early 2007 work:

Christopher7 said:
"The fires were NOT near hot enough to melt steel.
Thermate is made to melt steel and is therefore a possibility.
There are NO other possibilities.
End of story!"

"Fires in buildings don't burn hot enough to weaken steel I beams. Where you get this stuff, one of those debunking sites?"

"So, you cannot site another possible cause.
Thats because there is NO other possible cause."

"The MOLTEN METAL could have ONLY be caused by THERMATE."

"There simply is no other explanation."

"Weather or not you believe Jones, you won't be able to find a qualified person to say otherwise."

"Denial will not protect you from reality."

He had passion then. These days he seems to be phoning it in.
 
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* - Intentional, just to annoy the Powers-That-Be. And I'll be damned if I spend any more time working out the meter.
(emphasis mine)

You actually spent time working out that meter?

Oh, wait, you apprenticed under Tricky.

Carry on.
 
I much prefer his early 2007 work:

He had passion then. These days he seems to be phoning it in.

Hell, aren't we all? I'm doing this with my frontal lobe tied behind my back, just to keep it interesting!

(question--was the bolding in the original? Yeah, I know, I should just click through and look... but I would need my frontal lobe for that.) eta: nice to see there was no click-through, and my question stands as asked.
 
(question--was the bolding in the original? Yeah, I know, I should just click through and look... but I would need my frontal lobe for that.) eta: nice to see there was no click-through, and my question stands as asked.
The bolding may be mine. To make up for that disappointment, here's a poem.

When challenged to put up their evidence
Our delusional truthers in residence
Will hem and they'll haw
And on metaphors draw
Until nurse brings their cupful of medicines
 
gravy,

You've never heard of Rubbleium? It's between Rustoleum and Unobtanium on the periodic table.

One making round.

It just seemed apropos to the moment. Perhaps the meteor has been turned into this "one element".


Lawrence Livermore Laboratories has discovered the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from four days to four years to complete.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2- 6 years. It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration.

This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass. When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

tom
 
chris,

So what? Your implication that yo have to be some kind of expert to recognize molten steel is simply not true. He was at ground zero. He knew the center of the towers area was hot enough to melt steel. He could see steel and solidified molten steel in the "meteorite".

Is it time to point out to you that EVERY SINGLE PIECE of steel in the world WAS once molten and is now solidified.

By the way, you still haven't told me the temperature range where steel is molten and paper doesn't burn.

tk
 
Floor pans

Somebody mentiioned the floor pans that the concrete was poured into on each of the 110 floors. I read somewhere hat there were 48 of these floor pans per floor which would make each of them pretty massive. All in all that makes above 5,000 of these massive floor pans that we should see in the rubble. Does anybody have photos showing a representative amount of these ?
 
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Getting towards a conclusion

It's beginning to look as if something doesn't add up in the WTC rubble. We appear to be missing most of the constituent elements of 110 one-acre 4'' thick concrete floors , their reinforcing mats of wire mesh and the massive floor pans the concrete as poured into. The concrete seems to be virtually non-existant in the rubble pile, the mesh is extremely scarce as are he 5,000 massive floor pans. Everything can't be hiding under everything alse so it must actually be really missing.
So to recap. there should be 110 ACRES of 4" thick concrete, 110 ACRES of wire mesh matting, and 110 ACRES of massive heavy-duty floor pans.
I offer he following links for concerned citizens to check it out for themselves. A note n the links..allow the animated gif to load fully and cycle a few times. Check the amount of debris on the ground. Then reverse the view in your mind's eye and watch the two biggest towers in the world grow and reassemble themselves from the paltry few sticks and stones we see on the ground.Always remembering that the inside of the buildings were full of structure too including 100,000 tons of structural steel and 110 one ACRE 4'' thick concrete floors nd their associated steel- per building...

http://www.acebaker.com/9-11/HTR/web-content/Images/HTRTitleAnim.gif animated gif
http://www.engr.psu.edu/ae/WTC/wtc-photo.jpg Huge photo (slow loading,zoomable)

(F11 may toggle fullscreen on/off on yur computer)
 
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Somebody mentiioned the floor pans that the concrete was poured into on each of the 110 floors. I read somewhere hat there were 48 of these floor pans per floor which would make each of them pretty massive. All in all that makes above 5,000 of these massive floor pans that we should see in the rubble. Does anybody have photos showing a representative amount of these ?

No, Bill. It would make each of these 48 pans less massive by a factor of 48.
 
I much prefer his 2006 and early 2007 work:
He had passion then. These days he seems to be phoning it in.
4 out of 5 ain't so bad. :)
The difference between you and me is, I admit when I am wrong and you don't.

You and your faithful followers all sing the same song and diligently deny any evidence of molten steel because you know that the only explanation is thermite.

What kind of denial can you come up with for this one?

The History Channel's "World Trade Center, Rise and Fall of an American Icon"
Richard Riggs a Debris Removal Specialist that was doing the clean up.
"The fires got very intense down there and actually melted beams where it was molten steel that was being dug up."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI&feature=related
 
That is denial.

Proof positive that you will not accept any statement that confirms molten metal.

You haven't provided any statement confirming molten metal in the "meteorite." All you do is provide any architect's opinion:

The man in the video said there was [previously] molten metal in the meteorite. He got his info from the government. You are looking at photos and saying you know better.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php...postcount=1036
You won't give us any government source, any government scientists, any evidence whatsoever. All you have is the opinion of an architect hired by the NYNJ Port Authority to look for, and collect, 9/11 artifacts - and Steven Jones claim that is is "re-solidified molten metal" - all without a stitch of evidence.

Do you think you are not intellectually dishonest, Chris?
 
4 out of 5 ain't so bad. :)
The difference between you and me is, I admit when I am wrong and you don't.

Not so, Chris.

You haven't admitted you are wrong about claiming "The government scientists say there's molten metal in the meteorite" when you don't have any government scientists or evidence to support that claim.
 
4 out of 5 ain't so bad. :)
The difference between you and me is, I admit when I am wrong and you don't.

You and your faithful followers all sing the same song and diligently deny any evidence of molten steel because you know that the only explanation is thermite.

What kind of denial can you come up with for this one?

The History Channel's "World Trade Center, Rise and Fall of an American Icon"
Richard Riggs a Debris Removal Specialist that was doing the clean up.
"The fires got very intense down there and actually melted beams where it was molten steel that was being dug up."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogrupgt4mI&feature=related
Jones made up thermite four years after 911. He just made it up and people who lack knowledge in physics, math, structures, fire, and logic believe a liar. You believe a liar and can't do the work to support your idea. You believe in delusions on 911, it has been over 7 years and you can't figure out 911.
 
You haven't provided any statement confirming molten metal in the "meteorite." All you do is provide any architect's opinion:
This is just a denial. His statement stands on its own. He was at ground zero. He knew the temperatures were high enough to melt steel. He inspected the "meteorite". He could see pieces of steel and solidified molten steel.

Deniers insist only a metallurgist with a test kit can verify molten steel. This is just a BS denial tactic.

Mark Loizeaux is confident that there was molten steel at ground zero because he knows the contractors he had worked with were capable of recognizing molten steel.


All you have is the opinion of an architect hired by the NYNJ Port Authority to look for, and collect, 9/11 artifacts - and Steven Jones claim that is is "re-solidified molten metal" - all without a stitch of evidence.
Pure denial. Mr. Voorsanger's statement is evidence. NIST has not tested the "meteorite". You ask for something you know does not exist in order to deny the statement you don't want to deal with.


You haven't admitted you are wrong about claiming "The government scientists say there's molten metal in the meteorite"
I have responded to this several times. What's your problem? :confused:
Here's 2 of them:
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What kind of denial can you come up with for this one?

The History Channel's "World Trade Center, Rise and Fall of an American Icon"
Richard Riggs a Debris Removal Specialist that was doing the clean up.
"The fires got very intense down there and actually melted beams where it was molten steel that was being dug up."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ogru...eature=related
Jones made up thermite four years after 911. He just made it up and people who lack knowledge in physics, math, structures, fire, and logic believe a liar. You believe a liar and can't do the work to support your idea. You believe in delusions on 911, it has been over 7 years and you can't figure out 911.
You did not respond to the statement in the History Channel video because you can't just write off this expert without looking stupid.

Here's another:
John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
"Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense," reports Alison Geyh, PhD. "In some pockets now being uncovered, they are finding molten steel."
http://www.jhsph.edu/Publications/Special/Welch.htm
 
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