AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[jtribby]

"highly doubt" is not a claim. It's an opinion. Which also means I could be wrong.

Do you know the difference of stating fact from opinion Wimpy?

Here's the difference.

Beachnut stated his claim as fact. But, you fail to ask him for proof.

Instead, you ask me for proof of my opnion that I "highly doubt" he is what he claims.

Catching on yet?

Are you a "critical thinker" Wimpy?

 

[beachnut]

The above coming from the same guy who says the NTSB Flight Path Study impact time is wrong.

You may want to get a job at the NTSB and straighten them out over there. But I have a feeling they won't hire you. Microsoft Flight Sim time, and then investigating your crash into the Golden Gate when attempting to fly under it, doesn't work on a resume as "Heavy Jet Pilot" and "Aircraft Accident Investigator".

What time did 77 impact?

It sure sounds like Balsamo is feeding you your lines. Keep the failed insults coming, I love it when your fantasy falls apart and you attack me.
You brought up the topic~! Errors in the FDR; Please elaborate and discuss them one at a time. Bring it on.

Bring on your evidence and try to ignore my pokes at the dumb, no dirt dumb ideas generated by Balsamo and his cult of no evidence free pilots on 911; they offer no theories too. Selling DVDs of hearsay and implied lies.

What about the FDR error discussion; forget me, you nailed me a failed MSFS pilot with a ATP and thousands of hours in KC-135 offloading gas to stinkbugs, F-4s, SR-71s, F-111s, B-52s, C-5s, RC-135s, C-130s, A-10s and what ever I left out. UPT sure seemed real; oops my hero shot was around here somewhere.

FDR errors? Please…

 

[buka001]

Jtribby, your absence of logic humours me some what. You claim that Beach is not a pilot, therefore you must prove it. If you fail to understand that fundamental concept, I suggest you read this analogy:

Bob has been accused as a rapist. Who is accusing him? The State. Who represents the state in a court of law in this situation? A prosecuting attorney. Now who's job is it to prove that Bob is a rapist?


Hence, you are now required to PROVE your claim that Beach is not a pilot. Otherwise YOUR post is a lie. You are lying. Everything you said is false.

Beach has posted his proof that he is qualified. What have you done to disprove this?

 

[jtribby]

What time did 77 impact?

The NTSB states it in their Flight Path Study. Try reading it. Need a link?

 

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Are you a "critical thinker" Wimpy?

Given that you've already demonstrably bollixed both argument from incredulity and burden of proof within the space of a quarter-hour -- which, I grant you, must have taken more than the usual amount of huffing and puffing on your part -- the fact that you place scare quotes around the phrase "critical thinker" is dully snort-worthy. If you're as yet unfamiliar with the phenomenon stand-up comics refer to as flop sweat, then the irony (unintentional, doubtless) is doubly delicious.

Welcome to ignore, laddie. Enjoy the remainder of your stay.

 

[jtribby]

Jtribby, your absence of logic humours me some what.

Ditto. And here's why...

Bob has been accused as a rapist. Who is accusing him? The State. Who represents the state in a court of law in this situation? A prosecuting attorney. Now who's job is it to prove that Bob is a rapist?

Did Beachnut claim he was a rapist and I stated my opinion that I highly doubt it and now you want me to prove he isn't a rapist?

Hey, here's some simple logic, how about just asking Beachnut to prove his claims?

I told you I flew Xmas 2008 routes for Santa. Prove that I didn't.

Are we sure there are critical thinkers here?

Beach has posted his proof that he is qualified. What have you done to disprove this?

He has done no such thing. The only way to verify Beachnut is to look him up in the FAA Database.

Now, I know many of you would rather drift off topic, than answer as to why the NTSB doesn't claim any such errors (this is one of the reasons Beachnut is most likely not who he says he is, he thinks he knows more than the NTSB), but please, try to stick to topic.

 

[buka001]

"highly doubt" is not a claim. It's an opinion. Which also means I could be wrong.

Do you know the difference of stating fact from opinion Wimpy?

Here's the difference.

Beachnut stated his claim as fact. But, you fail to ask him for proof.

Instead, you ask me for proof of my opnion that I "highly doubt" he is what he claims.

Catching on yet?

Are you a "critical thinker" Wimpy?

No, here is the difference, Beachnut statement is drawn upon interpretation of flight data. You refuse to belive anything he says because it destroys your opinion that the government are in on it. In fact you could have 5000 of the worlds most qualified most experienced Flight Data analysys, stand in front of you and say the smae, YOU would still say they are wrong.

Nothing will convince you. Why? Because you lack the fundamental understanding of physics, mathematics and engineering to process the information correctly. Failure in doing this has cuased you to seek answers else where. A personal biase in mistrust of the government, born through blatant paranoia in your psyche has allowed you to believe in people who have similar convictions as you do. Unfortunately these people also lack the common understanding needed to interpret the data correctly. Hence, you regress forwards as you try to use baseless opinions and lies to argue against physics, mathematics, engineering and common science.

No amount of evidence, no amount of qualified expert opinion will ever convince you that the data is true and not faked.

Ask yourself this question, what do you require that will prove that this data is in fact real? If you can honestly say there is one pice of evidence that if you view it, it will change your perspective on this matter, then please enlighten us. But I suspect, NOTHING will change your view as your personal biase and paranoia excludes all rational, logical evidence, as it will simply say, FDR was planted therefore everything is wrong.

 

[beachnut]

The NTSB states it in their Flight Path Study. Try reading it. Need a link?

The FDR is missing data, and the NTSB impact time is what? You said you have all the stuff, but tell me to go look it up. Please tell me which clock they are using, was it correct for errors, and what did they base the impact time on since they did not investigate flight 77, the FBI did. Therefore the impact time is how close to the exact time Flight 77 impacted the Pentagon as reported by witnesses, how does it fit with RADAR data and timing from RADAR data to the impact point based on FDR speeds and acceleration?

You failed to post the impact time, or verification by multiple independent sources; a little trick the CIT failed investigators use. Give us some master expert p4t impact time sources and how a plane still thousands of feet from impact at :45, have a verified impact time of :45 at the Pentagon; do you believe in warp speed?

You 911Truth believers use numbers as exact, literal, but then you say they are fake and the impact never happened, and you prove it with the impact time, that did not happen in your delusion. Cool. For having no theories you sure spew a lot of trivial blather from Balsamo’s own mind.

Please present the exact time of impact, and how it was determined, and verified. Prove the time of impact please for an event you are trying to say never happened. How ironic, you give me a time of impact, sort of, but claim 77 never impacted. Is this your story you are going to stick too and avoid the errors in the FDR you claim someone made but you can’t specify them or discuss them until Balsamo wakes up to feed you more junk? What is going on?

You can't verify the time with other sources.

Bring on the errors in the FDR you talked about.


It is bad when I know :45 is the number you want to say (without looking it up), but I am looking at the NTSB data with :46 time stamped on the FDR information, two seconds after the last data the p4t experts decoded but could not decode.

Darn this means what? A time stamp in the FDR of :46, but your NTSB impact time is :45? Does this mean they are off? Where did they pull :45 out of? And since you are advocating 77 did not impact the Pentagon why are you arguing an event that did not happen?

Better get those errors on the FDR discussion going before your cover is blown.

 

[buka001]

Ditto. And here's why...



Did Beachnut claim he was a rapist and I stated my opinion that I highly doubt it and now you want me to prove he isn't a rapist?

Hey, here's some simple logic, how about just asking Beachnut to prove his claims?

I told you I flew Xmas 2008 routes for Santa. Prove that I didn't.

Are we sure there are critical thinkers here?


Hence, you are now required to PROVE your claim that Beach is not a pilot. Otherwise YOUR post is a lie. You are lying. Everything you said is false.



He has done no such thing. The only way to verify Beachnut is to look him up in the FAA Database.

Simple. It is impossible to fly to every household containing children in the world in one single night and deliver gifts enough for every children. No aircraft exists with such speed and load capacities. No eyewitness accounts exist for such an event. No reports of aircraft conducting ultra low flights. Nothing.

I can therefore say with 100% certainty that your claim is false, as physics demonstartes that such flight capabilities, that would be neccessary for your claim to be true are impossible. The COMPLETE lack of eyewitness accounts are also indicative that this claim is unsupported.

I have proven your claim as false, how about you do the same for yours.

Now back to my analogy. Your are claiming Bob is a rapist. It is your duty to prove so. Simple as that.

 

[beachnut]

I told you I flew Xmas 2008 routes for Santa. Prove that I didn't.

This is not falsifiable so it is not a valid theory; just pure junk like all of 911Truth and now your ideas on 911.

My FAA ticket in my wallet, looks like this and Balsamo can verify it due to my error in judgment.

If you need, I can have mods verify my information and I am tired of Balsamo publishing my name and calling me cute names when his ideas are failed not his efforts at selling dumb ideas to the uniformed. (the fact you don't know my real name is indicative of your shallow research on 911) I don’t care if you believe I flew jets for the USAF; it does not make your ideas become real on 911.

Unlike your delusion on 911, I like to use evidence; you have nothing to support what ever your failed ideas are.

 

[jtribby]

No, here is the difference, Beachnut statement is drawn upon interpretation of flight data.

Beachnut interpretation of Flight Data differs from the NTSB. Does Beachnut know more than the NTSB?

You refuse to belive anything he says because it destroys your opinion that the government are in on it.

Quote me or admit you lie Mr Strawman.

In fact you could have 5000 of the worlds most qualified most experienced Flight Data analysys, stand in front of you and say the smae, YOU would still say they are wrong.

The NTSB doesn't claim any missing seconds or rotated map. "Beachnut" does. Who do you think is has more experience with FDR's?

Nothing will convince you. Why? Because you lack the fundamental understanding of physics, mathematics and engineering to process the information correctly. Failure in doing this has cuased you to seek answers else where. A personal biase in mistrust of the government, born through blatant paranoia in your psyche has allowed you to believe in people who have similar convictions as you do. Unfortunately these people also lack the common understanding needed to interpret the data correctly. Hence, you regress forwards as you try to use baseless opinions and lies to argue against physics, mathematics, engineering and common science.

Wow, you got me all figured out already. Care to prove all those claims you just made about me? Didn't think so.

These people can actually be verified of who they say they are, unlike Beachnut.

No amount of evidence, no amount of qualified expert opinion will ever convince you that the data is true and not faked.

Where did I say the data was faked Mr Strawman?

The rest of your post is of the same nature, nothing but Strawman arguments you are unable to source or quote. Give your prejudice a rest as it only hurts your argument.

 

[jtribby]

Now back to my analogy. Your are claiming Bob is a rapist. It is your duty to prove so. Simple as that.

Claiming Bob is a rapist is attempting to prove a positive, that Bob is a rapist.

Offering opinion that its highly unlikely Beachnut isnt who he claims and asking me to prove it (while failing to ask Beachnut to prove his positive), is asking me to prove a negative based on opinion. You can't prove a negative. Your logic is flawed.

Wow, where did all the critical thinkers go from this forum?

Oh, thats right. I beleive it was Gravy who said, "This subforum sucks".

The bickering and off topic rhetoric is out of hand.

 

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

My FAA ticket in my wallet, looks like this and Balsamo can verify it due to my error in judgment. [...] If you need, I can have mods verify my information

Bim. Bam. BOOM.

 

[jtribby]

Bim. Bam. BOOM.

Bim, Bam Boom...


Again, where did all the critical thinkers go? It's like amature hour in here.

 

[jtribby]

The FDR is missing data, and the NTSB impact time is what? You said you have all the stuff, but tell me to go look it up. Please tell me which clock they are using, was it correct for errors, and what did they base the impact time on since they did not investigate flight 77, the FBI did.

Wow, why are you arguing the NTSB data when you haven't even read their information? You also may want to click the link in Wimpy's post referring to arguments from incredulity.

It's all there in the NTSB Flight Path Study, how it is dervied, when it was derived, and no claims of "errors". Really, try reading it. No one is going to hold your hand.

(here's a little hint, apathoid posted an excerpt of it in this very thread. Sorry you missed it)

 

[funk de fino]

The NTSB Flight Path Study didn't use FDR information? Really? Where did they get their information, the cracker jack box?

You may want to actually read what is in the National Security Archive. Your peers here claim it's filled with errors. For starters, your peers claim the "impact time" as plotted by the NTSB, is wrong. The NTSB makes no such claim of "impact time" error. It's in the National Security Archive. Really. Go check.

I never claimed that though did I? Think additional info. I will give you this emantic game as it is clearly all you have.

You doubt pilots like beachnut so you would most lilkely doubt ex aircraft techs like me eh?

I hope you do better than the last mouthpiece for PFT. Capn Bob is deranged you know?

 

[jtribby]

I hope you do better than the last mouthpiece for PFT. Capn Bob is deranged you know?

Might want to let the FAA know of such a thing, as it appears Capt Bob is qualified to fly aircraft (unlike the lies told on this forum by people who cannot be verified as qualified) and the FAA don't give medical certificates to the "deranged".

Your backpeddling also noted.

 

[funk de fino]

jtribby

How did the pentagon get into the animation?

 

[funk de fino]

Might want to let the FAA know of such a thing, as it appears Capt Bob is qualified to fly aircraft and the FAA don't give medical certificates to the "deranged".

Your backpeddling also noted.

Is he really? Does he have a present medical and is he flying FAA flights?

Do you think it is the sign of a stable man who threatens violence on people like he has in the past?

I have not backpeddled, they used additional info for the flightpath study they did not need a working copy animation. It did not need to be accurate.

 

[EvilBiker]

I really am beginning to feel that the PFT/CIT supporters are trying to push the buttons to send these threads to AAH, where they cannot be viewed by casuals, hence hiding the spectacular debunks that this forum dishes out to the same PFT/CIT supporters and associated knitted footwear.

I, for one, welcome you, jtribby, to my ignore list. You'll find like-minded company in there. Have fun and please don't mess up the furniture too much.