Moderated Steel structures cannot globally collapse due to gravity alone

bob the analyst said:
I like that, a 1 story building with a corregated and asphalt roof collapsed...pretty nice pictures of meaningless stuff...do you have more pics?
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Its a steel framed warehouse that was destroyed by fire directly across from my place of work. Collapsed in a few hours even though the fire was fought.

How could this happen if fire does not harm steel BOB?

I can get many more pictures.
 
bill smith said:
The evidence speaks fr itself. Of course nobody thought of CD as a reason. Why would anybody have thought that in the day of 9/11 ? Their testimony describes CD down to he last detail though which makes itall the more significant.
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one major problem Bill, that the NIST did in their limited analysis, the problem that all normal and clear thinking people can easily see through, is that they never encompassed all areas of what brought potentially all 3 buildings down...when a group of engineers and other specialist gather to design and author a report...all avenues of failure are looked at

you have to look at everything and anything that could and would be responsible

this is called red x or problem solving techniques, it is developed from and with six sigma

Shainin was the brain behind this, I've been involved and dedicated for problem solving and critical thinking since 1982 and I teach classes on this as well


Critical thinkers will always be on the side of not just taking the lame approach "I saw a big fire ball and a jet explode" as being for that's the reason the buildings collapsed


this is why the cowards here, the people that are afraid to think, the shills that readily and easily accept the NIST report because

A.) they are afraid not to accept the report
B.) they don't undertsand what the report says and what it doesn't say, which is very important.
C.) they saw a jet explode and a big fireball on tv and that's all they need to know


that's weak thinking, plain and simple
 
bill smith said:
The evidence speaks fr itself. Of course nobody thought of CD as a reason. Why would anybody have thought that in the day of 9/11 ? Their testimony describes CD down to he last detail though which makes itall the more significant.
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Incorrect. Their testimony only shows how dumb and dishonest the TM are.
 
bob the analyst said:
one major problem Bill, that the NIST did in their limited analysis, the problem that all normal and clear thinking people can easily see through, is that they never encompassed all areas of what brought potentially all 3 buildings down...when a group of engineers and other specialist gather to design and author a report...all avenues of failure are looked at

you have to look at everything and anything that could and would be responsible

this is called red x or problem solving techniques, it is developed from and with six sigma

Shainin was the brain behind this, I've been involved and dedicated for problem solving and critical thinking since 1982 and I teach classes on this as well


Critical thinkers will always be on the side of not just taking the lame approach "I saw a big fire ball and a jet explode" as being for that's the reason the buildings collapsed


this is why the cowards here, the people that are afraid to think, the shills that readily and easily accept the NIST report because

A.) they are afraid not to accept the report
B.) they don't undertsand what the report says and what it doesn't say, which is very important.
C.) they saw a jet explode and a big fireball on tv and that's all they need to know


that's weak thinking, plain and simple
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You haven't read the NIST reports have you?
 
funk de fino said:
Its a steel framed warehouse that was destroyed by fire directly across from my place of work. Collapsed in a few hours even though the fire was fought.

How could this happen if fire does not harm steel BOB?

I can get many more pictures.
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happen to have any proof of when the building was burnt and why the the local fire dept. kncoked down the roof on the structure


forget it, I'm playing with you, you have zero proof, it's obvious funk de fino

Do not change a user's name so as to insult.
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Architect said:
Oh no, Bob, you go first. It should be amusing.

BTW. I design and build tall buildings for a living. Don't waste my time with more of your usual bluster and bluff. Likewise we have real engineers here too.
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No use, Architect. He completely ducked out of commenting on Gravy's and my posts querying him about steel fireproofing, and 3body's post asking him to produce those FMEAs for other collapses. He's not going to pin down on anything. That's why I put him on ignore.

But, if you can get anything specific out of him, then great. The conversation can finally turn substantive.
 
GlennB said:
You've been presented with the calculations.
Now it's up to you to debunk them, but "it's obvious" isn't good enough.
So - let's see your numbers.
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"Converting this entirely into linear velocity gives about 83 ft/sec = 56 mph"

This double talk doesn't say what is moving at 56 mph. Is it one end of the beam or the whole beam?

How does this energy get converted into horizontal velocity?
In order for the 'flicker factor' to work, one end must be held stationary so how can this stored energy eject a beam that is firmly held at one end?
 
bob the analyst said:
happen to have any proof of when the building was burnt and why the the local fire dept. kncoked down the roof on the structure


forget it, I'm playing with you, you have zero proof, it's obvious chunky funky monkey
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Yes I do. As I have said it happened across from my work and was all over the local news. It was a steel faramed warehouse that was destroyed by a fought fire. The roof collapsed due to the fire. The fire dept did not knock down anything


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7158736.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7162756.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7158949.stm

Everyone pay particular attention to the caption on the photo on the 2nd link.

I can get more photos also. The one I have posted is my own.

I guess fire affects steel in a bad way then BOB?
 
bill smith said:
Nearly 3,000 innocents killed and 3,000 families without fathers and mothers.I hope you are not saying that that was a price worth paying Ben.
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Ben?

Its not our fault the TM cherrypick and lie about things. They apologise for the real killers
 
ElMondoHummus said:
No use, Architect. He completely ducked out of commenting on Gravy's and my posts querying him about steel fireproofing, and 3body's post asking him to produce those FMEAs for other collapses. He's not going to pin down on anything. That's why I put him on ignore.

But, if you can get anything specific out of him, then great. The conversation can finally turn substantive.
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perhaps you could throw the architect a lifeline, he can be the friend that you call or the shout out on the street for the kid, help him out what loading anfd fracture testes, duty and life cycle testing that a designer woould be involved in?

can you help him? he's drowning in here dude, he got caught up in that tsunami wave called Hurricane Bob
 
bob the analyst said:
yes, our buddy teddy is infamous at doing that, especially on joints and members where the steel is always has stress relief, you see, anyplace and anytime there is a steel joint, whether it is on an aplliace door, pedails mounted to a bicycle sprocket or the joints and mounting points of a 110 story office building, the worst case scenario is tested...repeatedkly tested and 10 times the maximum expected force, in this case I believe that the joints would be tested for 1 million hits of striking in duty cycles by a 727jet, all this done both in minus 50 degree chambers and 3800 degree ovens.

humidity testing, salt spray, vibration--not sure if you have ever seen shaker tables for example


dozens--hundreds of tests


the PSUSA - the Professional Shills Unlimited Society of America just lives in a state of denial, every conceivable possible scenario, scenarios far worse that a jet striking the wtc is tested for
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Bob, can you explain a little more about using stress relief as a testing procedure for us ameteurs?

While your at it have a job on the go where all the piping is SA312 and I need a stress relief procedure for it. Its all 3" schedule 10 with some schedule 40 connections at PSV points. Its being used in an ASME B31.3 piping system and the enviroment is somewhat sour (4%). Maybe you, Bill, Uber and any other big head(s) hanging around could help a fella out?

And for my own info I'd like to know if all the steel joints in the WTC complex were stress relieved. This seems to be what you're implying.
 
Oh, Bob, bless. Hope you've got evidence about the space elevators.

You see, some years ago one of your Truther friends made exactly the same claim. So, well, we took steps to prove credentials. Specifically, one of the mods - Chillzero - was given all necessary details of qualification (ARB and RIBA registration details, if you must know) together with sight of sufficient employer information to confirm experience.

Now, if you want to contact Chillzero then go ahead. If not, then it's clear that you know it's because you'll lose and I'll have your apology together with evidence of your work on space elevators.

In the meantime, just to make sure I press the point home, do enjoy these examples of my work.
 

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funk de fino said:
Yes I do. As I have said it happened across from my work and was all over the local news. It was a steel faramed warehouse that was destroyed by a fought fire. The roof collapsed due to the fire. The fire dept did not knock down anything


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7158736.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7162756.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7158949.stm

Everyone pay particular attention to the caption on the photo on the 2nd link.

I can get more photos also. The one I have posted is my own.

I guess fire affects steel in a bad way then BOB?
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is this like one of those self stroage bins?


I think that you need to look at the big field here, not a shed like structure, we're talking massive steel beams and girders of immenses size and strength, steel specifically designed and tested to withstand forces 10 times greater in heat and energy that the steel faced in the wtc.


think big, real big, you can do it, ask for help and direction
 
bob the analyst said:
perhaps you could throw the architect a lifeline, he can be the friend that you call or the shout out on the street for the kid, help him out what loading anfd fracture testes, duty and life cycle testing that a designer woould be involved in?

can you help him? he's drowning in here dude, he got caught up in that tsunami wave called Hurricane Bob
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Oh help, help, I'm drowning.

How's the evidence on those space elevators coming along, chum?
 
Architect said:
Oh, Bob, bless. Hope you've got evidence about the space elevators.

You see, some years ago one of your Truther friends made exactly the same claim. So, well, we took steps to prove credentials. Specifically, one of the mods - Chillzero - was given all necessary details of qualification (ARB and RIBA registration details, if you must know) together with sight of sufficient employer information to confirm experience.

Now, if you want to contact Chillzero then go ahead. If not, then it's clear that you know it's because you'll lose and I'll have your apology together with evidence of your work on space elevators.

In the meantime, just to make sure I press the point home, do enjoy these examples of my work.
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Game, Set and Match.:D
 
Porkpie Hat said:
Bob, can you explain a little more about using stress relief as a testing procedure for us ameteurs?

While your at it have a job on the go where all the piping is SA312 and I need a stress relief procedure for it. Its all 3" schedule 10 with some schedule 40 connections at PSV points. Its being used in an ASME B31.3 piping system and the enviroment is somewhat sour (4%). Maybe you, Bill, Uber and any other big head(s) hanging around could help a fella out?

And for my own info I'd like to know if all the steel joints in the WTC complex were stress relieved. This seems to be what you're implying.
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where did you get the idea that stress relief of steel, which has many areas and techniques-processes we're talking about here, was a test in and of itself?
 
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