Moderated Steel structures cannot globally collapse due to gravity alone

bill smith said:
Does anybody want to give n opinion on the video I post here ? This is an analysis the sworn testimony of 503 9/11 firefighters taken in he days weeks aand months after the attacks. There can be no doubt as to the autenticity of the statements as all 12,000 pages are available online. Equally there can be no doubt that a more expert group of witnesses would be hard to find. Can anybody comment on why they think the 9/11 Commission ruled all of this evidence inadmissable ?

I suspect that this post may be met by a wall of silence. In that event I think we can all draw the obvious conclusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study
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Are you paying attention; the explosion sounds are not sounds of explosives?
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Do you a problem with simile? You need to join the skeptical posters at JREF and be skeptical of the idiots who post the video, not the poster here.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard


DRG is a fraud; your posted video is a fraud; are you gullible? Why can’t you see the fraud presented in the video? Why are no windows blown out a half mile away by explosive shockwaves from the so-called blasts. Why were there no deaths due to blasts? http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Why do you present 911Truth junk here as if it had merit? Over 7 years and 911Truth has failed to present evidence to support the delusions they have fooled you to believe. This is old stuff. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Please go first when you post the woo junk and explain how much you believe it. ARE you a no planer, a nuke, a beam weapon person? 911Truth is self-debunking, you should debunk this tripe yourself, or help. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Sounded like an explosion is not the sound of an explosive set to bring down the WTC. Sounded like an explosion was used to describe bodies hitting the ground; did you know that? Liars have duped you, and you posted a video implying there were explosives set to bring down the WTC. Failure is 911Truth. The inside job delusion spread by fools who can’t research or understand 911. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

The gravity collapse of the WTC released the equivalent energy of OVER 130 2000-pound bombs. The popping sounds were the floors failing as debris accelerated down! 130 2000-pound bombs! Clue time. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

I can’t help but chastise you for having arrived and posted junk without extensive research as you spew ideas from 911Truth without being skeptical or trying to research the failed claims yourself. Shame on you when 3000 people died and your actions now are effectively making up apologies, trying to shift blame from 19 terrorist to some delusional group of people that never existed. The inside job tripe! http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

There were no explosives used to bring down the WTC that is why sounded like an explosion is not the sound of an explosive charge. DRG is a fraud, the video is crap. A wall of silence is because most people are ignoring you as a troll because you post junk and never can get past the fact you present junk and fail to study and catch it yourself. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Why not try to read more and stop jumping on the hearsay, lies, and fantasy train headed to 911TruthVille.

I suspect the silence is due to putting you on ignore. I repeated the link because most people who post the kind of junk from 911Truth as you do don’t pay attention; I was hoping your mouse would hit one of the links.

A stupid video - Maybe a train did it; someone said it sounded like a train! Ohnoes...
911 was an inside track…

more to read http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18
 
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beachnut said:
Are you paying attention; the explosion sounds are not sounds of explosives?
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Do you a problem with simile? You need to join the skeptical posters at JREF and be skeptical of the idiots who post the video, not the poster here.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard


DRG is a fraud; your posted video is a fraud; are you gullible? Why can’t you see the fraud presented in the video? Why are no windows blown out a half mile away by explosive shockwaves from the so-called blasts. Why were there no deaths due to blasts? http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Why do you present 911Truth junk here as if it had merit? Over 7 years and 911Truth has failed to present evidence to support the delusions they have fooled you to believe. This is old stuff. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Please go first when you post the woo junk and explain how much you believe it. ARE you a no planer, a nuke, a beam weapon person? 911Truth is self-debunking, you should debunk this tripe yourself, or help. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Sounded like an explosion is not the sound of an explosive set to bring down the WTC. Sounded like an explosion was used to describe bodies hitting the ground; did you know that? Liars have duped you, and you posted a video implying there were explosives set to bring down the WTC. Failure is 911Truth. The inside job delusion spread by fools who can’t research or understand 911. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

The gravity collapse of the WTC released the equivalent energy of OVER 130 2000-pound bombs. The popping sounds were the floors failing as debris accelerated down! 130 2000-pound bombs! Clue time. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

I can’t help but chastise you for having arrived and posted junk without extensive research as you spew ideas from 911Truth without being skeptical or trying to research the failed claims yourself. Shame on you when 3000 people died and your actions now are effectively making up apologies, trying to shift blame from 19 terrorist to some delusional group of people that never existed. The inside job tripe! http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

There were no explosives used to bring down the WTC that is why sounded like an explosion is not the sound of an explosive charge. DRG is a fraud, the video is crap. A wall of silence is because most people are ignoring you as a troll because you post junk and never can get past the fact you present junk and fail to study and catch it yourself. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Why not try to read more and stop jumping on the hearsay, lies, and fantasy train headed to 911TruthVille.

I suspect the silence is due to putting you on ignore. I repeated the link because most people who post the kind of junk from 911Truth as you do don’t pay attention; I was hoping your mouse would hit one of the links.

A stupid video - Maybe a train did it; someone said it sounded like a train! Ohnoes...
911 was an inside track…

more to read http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18
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Your obvious task is now to explain how you come to the conclusion you reach in the text I have highlighted. Failing to give a compelling answer will lead to the opposite conclusion to the one you have drawn and point even mre directly to 9/11 having been an inside job. I repost the video for your convenience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study
 
And again, Bill:

Architect said:
Bill

It's patently obvious that you're not interested in any meaningful assessment or appraisal of evidence. You have wholly disregarded any contrary material put to you, hand-waving away anything which contradicts what are clearly very strongly held - but ultimately flawed - personal beliefs in and around the collapse of the World Trade Centre. The obvious conclusion, if there is one, is that you're just wasting our time.
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Architect said:
Bill

It's patently obvious that you're not interested in any meaningful assessment or appraisal of evidence. You have wholly disregarded any contrary material put to you, hand-waving away anything which contradicts what are clearly very strongly held - but ultimately flawed - personal beliefs in and around the collapse of the World Trade Centre. The obvious conclusion, if there is one, is that you're just wasting our time.
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Not so. I have listened to the counter-arguments carefully but I am nor persuaded by many of them. You are always free yourself to point out where exactly you think I am wrong in the posts I make.
 
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BenBurch said:
Easy, Bill. You've displayed absolutely perfect ignorance. Nothing you have claimed has been either true or honest.
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Why not go ahead and prove that by being specific ? Othewise your words are not worth the pixels they are written on.
 
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beachnut said:
Are you paying attention; the explosion sounds are not sounds of explosives?
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Do you a problem with simile? You need to join the skeptical posters at JREF and be skeptical of the idiots who post the video, not the poster here.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard


DRG is a fraud; your posted video is a fraud; are you gullible? Why can’t you see the fraud presented in the video? Why are no windows blown out a half mile away by explosive shockwaves from the so-called blasts. Why were there no deaths due to blasts? http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Why do you present 911Truth junk here as if it had merit? Over 7 years and 911Truth has failed to present evidence to support the delusions they have fooled you to believe. This is old stuff. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Please go first when you post the woo junk and explain how much you believe it. ARE you a no planer, a nuke, a beam weapon person? 911Truth is self-debunking, you should debunk this tripe yourself, or help. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Sounded like an explosion is not the sound of an explosive set to bring down the WTC. Sounded like an explosion was used to describe bodies hitting the ground; did you know that? Liars have duped you, and you posted a video implying there were explosives set to bring down the WTC. Failure is 911Truth. The inside job delusion spread by fools who can’t research or understand 911. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

The gravity collapse of the WTC released the equivalent energy of OVER 130 2000-pound bombs. The popping sounds were the floors failing as debris accelerated down! 130 2000-pound bombs! Clue time. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

I can’t help but chastise you for having arrived and posted junk without extensive research as you spew ideas from 911Truth without being skeptical or trying to research the failed claims yourself. Shame on you when 3000 people died and your actions now are effectively making up apologies, trying to shift blame from 19 terrorist to some delusional group of people that never existed. The inside job tripe! http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

There were no explosives used to bring down the WTC that is why sounded like an explosion is not the sound of an explosive charge. DRG is a fraud, the video is crap. A wall of silence is because most people are ignoring you as a troll because you post junk and never can get past the fact you present junk and fail to study and catch it yourself. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

Why not try to read more and stop jumping on the hearsay, lies, and fantasy train headed to 911TruthVille.

I suspect the silence is due to putting you on ignore. I repeated the link because most people who post the kind of junk from 911Truth as you do don’t pay attention; I was hoping your mouse would hit one of the links.

A stupid video - Maybe a train did it; someone said it sounded like a train! Ohnoes...
911 was an inside track…

more to read http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18
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The problem that you have when you make lame posts such as you do is that you try and dismantle someone else's post or their point, but you have that empty basket of thought in you posting


When you go to someone else's house, as you are here, the house of reality and truth and you come for dinner, you have to bring a dish or 2 to pass around, not just come in empty handed, looking unkempt, asking for and handout, then bitching about what food is served
 
phunk said:
Because steel is stronger than wood at normal temperatures. Unfortunately, in a fire, steel will lose its strength in the time that wood would only have burned a few mm deep.
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wow, humor on this site doesn't get any better than that? Do you do vegas with that comedy routine? What other material do you have?
 
I see quitre abit of talk towards mechanisms buckling, joint failures and the like, perhaps those that claim such ridiculous nonsense would care to disclose their personal testing methodology and validation.

Just post how joints and other points of assembly - such as where and how steel and girders are mounted in a test fixture, what forces are applied, what temperatures - both hot and cold--what the B life cycle testing cucles were.

Things that all building designs must go through for approval.

we could then get into the structural dynamics, resonace and frequency testing, harmonic manipulation, noise exposure, wind, thermals, natural and unnatural devices.


You could explain the type of FEA analysis that you have been involved in for building or steel deasign, that should be fun to read.

There's more, I'm sure that I over taxed your brain already
 
bob the analyst said:
I see quitre abit of talk towards mechanisms buckling, joint failures and the like, perhaps those that claim such ridiculous nonsense would care to disclose their personal testing methodology and validation.

Just post how joints and other points of assembly - such as where and how steel and girders are mounted in a test fixture, what forces are applied, what temperatures - both hot and cold--what the B life cycle testing cucles were.

Things that all building designs must go through for approval.

we could then get into the structural dynamics, resonace and frequency testing, harmonic manipulation, noise exposure, wind, thermals, natural and unnatural devices.


You could explain the type of FEA analysis that you have been involved in for building or steel deasign, that should be fun to read.

There's more, I'm sure that I over taxed your brain already
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Hi Bob....it's very revealing how hey melt away in the face of Super-Truthers. lol
 
bob the analyst said:
wow, humor on this site doesn't get any better than that? Do you do vegas with that comedy routine? What other material do you have?
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Ladies and Gentlemen

Proof, if we needed it, that Bob, Bill, and co. aren't versed in fire engineering issues or indeed interested in meaningful discussion.

Goodnight, Vienna.
 
bob the analyst said:
I see quitre abit of talk towards mechanisms buckling, joint failures and the like, perhaps those that claim such ridiculous nonsense would care to disclose their personal testing methodology and validation.

Just post how joints and other points of assembly - such as where and how steel and girders are mounted in a test fixture, what forces are applied, what temperatures - both hot and cold--what the B life cycle testing cucles were.

Things that all building designs must go through for approval.

we could then get into the structural dynamics, resonace and frequency testing, harmonic manipulation, noise exposure, wind, thermals, natural and unnatural devices.


You could explain the type of FEA analysis that you have been involved in for building or steel deasign, that should be fun to read.

There's more, I'm sure that I over taxed your brain already
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Oh no, Bob, you go first. It should be amusing.

BTW. I design and build tall buildings for a living. Don't waste my time with more of your usual bluster and bluff. Likewise we have real engineers here too.
 
The Bob and Bill show was quite entertaining for a while, but their novelty has run out.
 
bill smith said:
Your obvious task is now to explain how you come to the conclusion you reach in the text I have highlighted. Failing to give a compelling answer will lead to the opposite conclusion to the one you have drawn and point even mre directly to 9/11 having been an inside job. I repost the video for your convenience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg Firemen's Testimony- Study
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Classic shifting the burden off proof (compelling answer). Classic False Dillema (opposite conclusion). if you are not able to demonstrate that flight TF 798 crashed due to servo failure I'm lead directly to the opposite conclusion that the company owning the plain blew it up with a bomb.

It has already been explained to you. It is quite trivial. People use the word "explosion" to describe whatever loud transient sound they hear, irrespective off the cause of the sound. Bolts snapping, rebar snapping, building materials snapping, falling debris that hits an obstruction, electrical transformers exploding, gas bottles exploding, detonations etc etc. people will describe using the word "explosion". Therefore when people use the word "explosion" we can't derive the cause of the transient sound they heard.. there is a wide range of transient sound casing phenomena that all get mapped to "explosion" wording.

A 4 year old will be able to understand this. MacQueen should be able to understand this. Yet he defines his criterion for the use of explosives as being "witnesses using the word "explosion"." As explained above this runs contrary to the scientific approach he purports to follow. He also claims to look for evidence that contradicts his "CD hypothesis" yet he misses the obvious one that the sounds of detonations are absent in collapse video. The video is therefore a fraud.
 
bill smith said:
Hi Bob....it's very revealing how hey melt away in the face of Super-Truthers. lol
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yes, our buddy teddy is infamous at doing that, especially on joints and members where the steel is always has stress relief, you see, anyplace and anytime there is a steel joint, whether it is on an aplliace door, pedails mounted to a bicycle sprocket or the joints and mounting points of a 110 story office building, the worst case scenario is tested...repeatedkly tested and 10 times the maximum expected force, in this case I believe that the joints would be tested for 1 million hits of striking in duty cycles by a 727jet, all this done both in minus 50 degree chambers and 3800 degree ovens.

humidity testing, salt spray, vibration--not sure if you have ever seen shaker tables for example


dozens--hundreds of tests


the PSUSA - the Professional Shills Unlimited Society of America just lives in a state of denial, every conceivable possible scenario, scenarios far worse that a jet striking the wtc is tested for
 
Architect said:
Oh no, Bob, you go first. It should be amusing.

BTW. I design and build tall buildings for a living. Don't waste my time with more of your usual bluster and bluff. Likewise we have real engineers here too.
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share with us the life cycle testing techniques, I will out you as a complet fraud, fake and phony...you design buildings as much as I design space elevators,
 
bob the analyst said:
yes, our buddy teddy is infamous at doing that, especially on joints and members where the steel is always has stress relief, you see, anyplace and anytime there is a steel joint, whether it is on an aplliace door, pedails mounted to a bicycle sprocket or the joints and mounting points of a 110 story office building, the worst case scenario is tested...repeatedkly tested and 10 times the maximum expected force, in this case I believe that the joints would be tested for 1 million hits of striking in duty cycles by a 727jet, all this done both in minus 50 degree chambers and 3800 degree ovens.

humidity testing, salt spray, vibration--not sure if you have ever seen shaker tables for example


dozens--hundreds of tests


the PSUSA - the Professional Shills Unlimited Society of America just lives in a state of denial, every conceivable possible scenario, scenarios far worse that a jet striking the wtc is tested for
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wow.

I done stress and dynamic analysis and testing on the F-16, F-111, F-35, G-VI, STS, Titan III, 34D, and STS payloads (among other fun stuff), and never knew these things.
Do tell me more...
 
Architect said:
Oh no, Bob, you go first. It should be amusing.

BTW. I design and build tall buildings for a living. Don't waste my time with more of your usual bluster and bluff. Likewise we have real engineers here too.
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Edited for rule 12. Bob, you have developed a noticeable pattern of uncivil posts. Please ensure that your posts address the topic of the thread, and do not insult other members.

Please review your Membership Agreement:
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