Moderated Steel structures cannot globally collapse due to gravity alone

I guess it's safe to say that we don't have any NIST supporters present that understand engineering, applications, testing and development, engineering tools and software practices, metallurgy and chemistry and other components that are very much needed for proper discussion

I have to say that I am disappointed, but not shocked by the actions and hostility on this message board & medium towards me and other people that are immensely educated and dedicated to unravelling the reasons why the NIST chose to not report out the most viatl pieces of information or to overlook so many components of likely failure - but the NIST comes up with a hair brained gimic and scheme that the average 4th grade science student readily sees through it as bunk
 
ElMondoHummus said:
So, you mind supporting your assertion that fireproofing is "crap" with something that's actually solid?
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Gravy said:
Third time, bob: in your opinion, what caused the steel in these examples to fail?

Fire Safety Engineering and the Performance of Structural Steel in Fires, Building Code Changes
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stateofgrace said:
Bob,are you talking to yourself?

Ps...

Those FMEA for the Mandarin Oriental hotel, sometime this century would be nice.When you are ready.
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You're running away from 3 specific questions, Bob. It behooves you to address them.
 
prove that all areas of the wtc steel where the small fires were that were not protected via the required fire safety rules, regulations and specifications

the argument is lame....it's non existent and inconsequential...

as an example, the aluminum facade and trim on the exterior of the wtc structures was never harmed, nor did any glass ever break from temperatures exceeding the needed amoubnt..I would even venture to guess that ya'll are bright enough to maybe know that aluminum will go before structural steel goes in heat buidl-up.

then again, maybe not


you guys can keep doing more spins and pirouttes than tara Lipinski did in the olympics, but you got busted clean by me

you just can not supply the defense for you point of view and your arguments

I'll consider this your forfeiture and your resignation and your surrender to me

i win, I always win, ask around


ohhhh that has to hurt you guys....
 
bob the analyst said:
I guess it's safe to say that we don't have any NIST supporters present that understand engineering, applications, testing and development, engineering tools and software practices, metallurgy and chemistry and other components that are very much needed for proper discussion

I have to say that I am disappointed, but not shocked by the actions and hostility on this message board & medium towards me and other people that are immensely educated and dedicated to unravelling the reasons why the NIST chose to not report out the most viatl pieces of information or to overlook so many components of likely failure - but the NIST comes up with a hair brained gimic and scheme that the average 4th grade science student readily sees through it as bunk
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You don't actually read replies do you? Fortunately "lurkers" do. Keep up the "anti-truther disinfo". (What NWO department are you with?)
 
bob the analyst said:
I guess it's safe to say that we don't have any NIST supporters present that understand engineering, applications, testing and development, engineering tools and software practices, metallurgy and chemistry and other components that are very much needed for proper discussion

I have to say that I am disappointed, but not shocked by the actions and hostility on this message board & medium towards me and other people that are immensely educated and dedicated to unravelling the reasons why the NIST chose to not report out the most viatl pieces of information or to overlook so many components of likely failure - but the NIST comes up with a hair brained gimic and scheme that the average 4th grade science student readily sees through it as bunk
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Of course Bob, you sock it to us. But before we move onto your extensive knowledge of such matters maybe you could actually provide the FMEA for the Mandarin Oriental hotel, after all you did say.

all buildings have to have one for the past 40 years
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Come on Bob, this is easy for you, provide them.
 
Welcome to ignore, bob. Spewing ignorance is always bad, but doing it while talking to yourself is really odd.
 
bob the analyst said:
prove that all areas of the wtc steel where the small fires were that were not protected via the required fire safety rules, regulations and specifications

the argument is lame....it's non existent and inconsequential...

as an example, the aluminum facade and trim on the exterior of the wtc structures was never harmed, nor did any glass ever break from temperatures exceeding the needed amoubnt..I would even venture to guess that ya'll are bright enough to maybe know that aluminum will go before structural steel goes in heat buidl-up.

then again, maybe not


you guys can keep doing more spins and pirouttes than tara Lipinski did in the olympics, but you got busted clean by me

you just can not supply the defense for you point of view and your arguments

I'll consider this your forfeiture and your resignation and your surrender to me

i win, I always win, ask around


ohhhh that has to hurt you guys....
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Here's your trophy, truther.

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you can search, contact the astm, for it yourself or contact the listed steel company as per the bill of records...or contact Severstal steel where it was poured and rolled coming from Russia..there you go, I realize that I really made you look bad, by the fact that you had to ask me where you could obtain the information..by such is life,...get used to it if you dare challenge me
 
well, I see gravy has been sent to the showers, he wasn;t much of a match, more of a head case that refused the challenges and the expecations that I set up as rules of engagement

But that's ok, gravy, it's better that you get out early, your ego and your self esteem was getting bruised and battered early on in trying to one upmanship to me
 
bob the analyst said:
you can search, contact the astm, for it yourself or contact the listed steel company as per the bill of records...or contact Severstal steel where it was poured and rolled coming from Russia..there you go, I realize that I really made you look bad, by the fact that you had to ask me where you could obtain the information..by such is life,...get used to it if you dare challenge me
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Please provide the FMEA for the Mandarin Oriental hotel, every building as one, according to you. Either back up your claim or admit you cannot.
 
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bob the analyst said:
well, I see gravy has been sent to the showers, he wasn;t much of a match, more of a head case that refused the challenges and the expecations that I set up as rules of engagement

But that's ok, gravy, it's better that you get out early, your ego and your self esteem was getting bruised and battered early on in trying to one upmanship to me
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Jesus you certainly are a legend in your own mind aren't you. LOL

Here's a hint: when "talking trash", it helps to have something to back it up, otherwise you just look like a fool. No thanks needed, I'm just helping out.
 
Disbelief said:
Why would he do that, since he is getting all the attention he needs by just being a troll.
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Recall that many times I post not expecting honesty or accuracy from the conspiracy peddler himself, but in order to illustrate to lurkers - of whom a couple or 3 recently delurked, thus demonstrating that they're out there - the tactics and hollow argumentation that truthers resort to.

Bob's an empty avatar. He's got nothing.

You can see that he's not established a single thing beyond his ability to endlessly retail terminology. He's certainly failed to demonstrate that he understands NIST's narrative; as one example, the metallurgy he just asked about is contained in NCSTAR 1-3. But he's not referring to it at all, instead asking us to bring it to him. I'll bet if nobody had pointed this out, he would've claimed it's not there to begin with, thus openly misrepresenting the NIST reports to bystanders who haven't read it. But since I have, he's going to now find some other reason to dismiss it. Anyway, my point in doing this (and I would guess it's Gravy's as well, although that's up to him to say or refute) is simply to show that he's not willing to prove any point, or demonstrate any real knowledge. He's come to strike poses (obviously!). And that's all he's doing. Asking him for substantive commentary clearly underlines his lack of understanding. And that's why I'm posting. If he surprises us and shows he does grasp something about the collapse narrative, then we can discuss specifics. If not, well... we're still stuck at demonstrating his superficiality. Either way, it'll prove illuminating to lurkers/bystanders, and new members.
 
bob the analyst said:
ahh geeze skippy, I better slow you down, before you even get into the area of firproofing and whether or not the steel was superficially harmed or harmed at a micro-structure level...you will have to come up with your mass spectrometer readings of the damaged vs. the un-damaged steel from numerous sections of all 3 wtc buidlings,.

this is the way it works in the real world of applications

the we could order up the original kept samples and metallurgical analysis from the casting and rolling mills when the steel was poured into various heats.

I know this sounds a lot like technical jargon, but this is the ultimate reality show of put up or shut up.

It's where I paint the shills of the world into a corner...ask TFK and numerous others, I am legend
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Your pathetic analysis has nothing to do with 19 terrorists killing 3000 people on 911 unless you are making up lies to apologize for the murdering terrorists. I have never seen a worse analysis and presentation on steel and structures than you have done all by yourself. You have clearly displayed superior lack of knowledge and outstanding use of hearsay, lies and fantasy to form your pathetic delusion on 911. You are one of the worst apologist for 911 terrorists. Good job, I am glad you brought your a-game.
 
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prove the mtrics of what purpose a FMEA serves, prove your viability of understanding the design, purpose and application of an FMEA...I believe that an FMEA is nothing more than an acronym to you, a term that was foreign to you, till I brought it up.. I realize that I outted you state of grace as a fake, a phony, a fraud and and pretender, but get over it, I'm sure it happens to you all the time...
go find the Mandarin FMEA for yourself, do you know how to google?

quit being so lazy, do something yourself


afterall, you people stand by the NIST report, I have a hard copy in front of me and no where does it list the FMEA, what probes or discipline was used for analysis of failure mode effect analysis anywhere in the report
 
bob the analyst said:
as an example, the aluminum facade and trim on the exterior of the wtc structures was never harmed, nor did any glass ever break from temperatures exceeding the needed amoubnt
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Bob is incorrect here. See NIST NCSTAR 1-5A, p.292-293, for an analysis showing that 250 windows on floors 92-99 of WTC1 were broken by the airliner impact, and 1,048 by the subsequent fires. This may, presumably, be taken as indicative of a lack of research into the subject matter.

Dave
 
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