Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

[Christopher7]

The collapse itself provides all of the energy required for the lateral ejecta.

What is the mechanism for converting vertical kinetic energy to lateral kinetic energy?

The noise would be loud enough to make the entire population in the immediate and outlying vicinity deaf from blunt trauma to the ear drums, and don't forget the shrapnel and the damage to windows on all nearby structures which were not catastrophically damaged by the collapses themselves.

This is an "It can't be because" argument based on your knowledge of explosives and demolition techniques.

You still haven't explained how powerful those explosives would have had to been to eject NOT JUST "CUT" BUT EJECT full-sized structural members out 600 ft!!! What the hell?

? ? ? They would have to be powerful enough to do what they did. It is up to defenders of the OCT to explain how it was accomplished within the gravity collapse.

Just curious, do you by chance use thermite as an argument for more silent demolition like AE911's Richard Gage does?

Yes, Thermite was used along with explosives. There is no other explanation for the molten metal or the 4 ton framework sections being ejected up to 600 feet.

 

[Baylor]

Steel is much more formidable to explosives than fire. That's why buildings aren't "explosive proofed." In 1993 the WTC was bombed with a 1500 lb. ammonium nitrate bomb. It did not come close to toppling the building. We all know where and when the bomb went off, and there wasn't over 30 cameras focused on the building like on 9/11. And this resident troll wants us to believe that yet-to-be-discovered "silent explosives" that nobody knows when or where they went off or placed brought down both towers.

 

[Baylor]

This is an "It can't be because" argument based on your knowledge of explosives and demolition techniques.

How about my knowledge of demolition techniques? How about I quantify it for you? When detonated, a linear shaped charge creates a pressure well over 3,000,000 psi (21,000 MPa). Impossible for all instruments to have missed. It's that simple. Abandon your fantasy.

 

[Christopher7]

Just a reminder. You believe a Conspiracy Theory too so stop suggesting that people who believe Conspiracy Theories are crazy.

The FBI has NOT charged Osama Bin Laden with 9/11 because there is NO hard evidence connecting him to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

The hijackers left NO paper trail, no mention of any aspect of the 9/11 plot.
Paragraph 14 http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech041902.htm

The official 9/11 story, "Bin Laden and 19 hijackers did it" is a "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!
Conspiracy: a secret plan between two or more people to commit an illegal or subversive act
Theory: speculation, idea formed by speculation

 

[Christopher7]

Steel is much more formidable to explosives than fire. That's why buildings aren't "explosive proofed." In 1993 the WTC was bombed with a 1500 lb. ammonium nitrate bomb. It did not come close to toppling the building. We all know where and when the bomb went off, and there wasn't over 30 cameras focused on the building like on 9/11. And this resident troll wants us to believe that yet-to-be-discovered "silent explosives" that nobody knows when or where they went off or placed brought down both towers.

You are comparing a bomb in a van with placed demolition charges. There is no comparison.

ETA: Explain the existence of molten metal and 4 ton framework sections being ejected up to 600 feet or abandon your fantasy.

 

[Baylor]

You are comparing a bomb in a van with placed demolition charges. There is no comparison.

Because.......................

ETA:
1) 1200 Degrees celcius Temps
2) 2.48x10^11 joules of energy (62 tons of TNT worth)

Your turn.

 

[Macgyver1968]

You are comparing a bomb in a van with placed demolition charges. There is no comparison.

They both make really loud sounds when they go off...some comparison there. Why don't we hear those loud sounds before the start of the collapse?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

What is the mechanism for converting vertical kinetic energy to lateral kinetic energy?

The collapse is the mechanism. When the collapse initiated the progression was chaotic. As the mass came down on each floor the perimeter columns peeled off. The energy in just the collapse would have offered all of the criteria required to apply a horizontal component to their descent.

? ? ? They would have to be powerful enough to do what they did.

So how powerful are we talking? More than this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KuGizBjDXo

It is up to defenders of the OCT to explain how it was accomplished within the gravity collapse.

Burden of proof is yours to prove whether what you claim is responsible is indeed "responsible". You're not trying to shift the burden of proof are you?

Yes, Thermite was used along with explosives. There is no other explanation for the molten metal or the 4 ton framework sections being ejected up to 600 feet.

Of course as expected, you are -- like Gage and the remainder of AE911 -- oblivious to the obvious problems with both contentions....

 

[A W Smith]

This is an "It can't be because" argument based on your knowledge of explosives and demolition techniques.

without expanding gasses there is no explosion, demolition techniques do not matter, we don't care if there are thousands, they have one thing in common.http://www.brainyquote.com/words/ex/explosion162948.html

? ? ? They would have to be powerful enough to do what they did. It is up to defenders of the OCT to explain how it was accomplished within the gravity collapse.

No, No it isn't, it is your responsibility to show us, it is your burden to overturn the generally accepted hypothesis.

Yes, Thermite was used along with explosives.

there was neither explosions nor thermite. you are a liar. with no physical or audio or video evidence.

There is no other explanation for the molten metal or the 4 ton framework sections being ejected up to 600 feet.

already explained. the exterior column trees peeled away. it is self evident even in the alleged "explosion" video you posted.

 

[HyJinX]

You are comparing a bomb in a van with placed demolition charges. There is no comparison.

ETA: Explain the existence of molten metal and 4 ton framework sections being ejected up to 600 feet or abandon your fantasy.

You're a joke.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Tony Szamboti is realcddeal over here. He's been in lurk mode since March of last year, apparently.

He actively posts on SF. We were just talking about his theory on what caused the collapse. I'm one of the few on the board willing to put on the chest high fly-fishing waders, and venture into the waist deep BS that is the 9/11 thread. Most on our board don't give it the time of day.

 

[Macgyver1968]

You're a joke.

Dude..I've only been here a few days..and I can already tell...If Woo was gold...he'd be Fort freaking Knox.

 

[Baylor]

So how powerful are we talking? More than this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KuGizBjDXo..

I was there! I remember that. That was out in Henderson not too far from where I lived at the time. My neighbor was actually knocked over.

 

[HyJinX]

Dude..I've only been here a few days..and I can already tell...If Woo was gold...he'd be Fort freaking Knox.

Agreed. This one takes such pride in performing mental cannonballs into pools of stupid. It boggles.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Agreed. This one takes such pride in performing mental cannonballs into pools of stupid. It boggles.

I'm totally stealing that line.

 

[Christopher7]

The collapse is the mechanism. When the collapse initiated the progression was chaotic. As the mass came down on each floor the perimeter columns peeled off. The energy in just the collapse would have offered all of the criteria required to apply a horizontal component to their descent.

You have not explained, nor can you, how the vertical energy is converted in to horizontal energy.

Burden of proof is yours to prove whether what you claim is responsible is indeed "responsible".

No. In an effort to deny the known evidence, you demand we explain how it was done. We could only speculate and you will argue endlessly, thus avoiding discussion of the evidence we do have. The only known explanation for the molten metal is thermite and the only known explanation for 4 ton sections of framework being ejected up to 600 feet laterally is explosives. The claim that gravity can somehow accomplish this is ludicrous.

 

[Gravy]

Steel is much more formidable to explosives than fire. That's why buildings aren't "explosive proofed." In 1993 the WTC was bombed with a 1500 lb. ammonium nitrate bomb. It did not come close to toppling the building.

Not only that, it didn't destroy a single column in the parking garage where it detonated.

That blast was equivalent to half a ton of TNT.

 

[Gravy]

A grown man who doesn't understand the pile-driver effect. How sad.

 

[HyJinX]

A grown man who doesn't understand the pile-driver effect. How sad.

He does...but only as a wrestling term.

 

[Macgyver1968]

You have not explained, nor can you, how the vertical energy is converted in to horizontal energy.

I believe someone has already explained it....it's called bouncing. What happens if you drop a rubber ball on the edge of a table? The ball doesn't bounce straight up or down...it bounces off to the side. Vertical energy being converted into horizontal...or have you never bounced a ball on an uneven surface before?