Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3
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kitakaze
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Oh, it's clear as day....Patty got shot. The real question is what was Oswald doing at Bluff Creek that day?
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Well, they wouldn't, of course, thus pointing to the likelihood that this is, in fact, a real bigfoot....or something like that.
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Unless you have access no one else has all you have seen are copies of the film.
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Are you claiming to have seen the original unedited film?
Perhaps you can clarify what source you are using to make your observations and clips?
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Originally Posted by kitakaze
Sweaty, I'm having a hard time understanding your Bigfoot enthusiasm.
It's not hard to understand my enthusiasm for Bigfoot (in general)....I caught it from Joyce.
As for my enthusiasm for the PG Film itself....the reason for that is easy to see also.....the combination of Patty's massive body size (width-wise), the well-defined body contour (the arms, the back, and calves), and movement/flexibility (the upper leg, calves, fingers and toes)...all taken together, indicate something extremely un-suitlike.
If you know of a suit that, when seen under conditions comparable to Patty, exhibits this combination of attributes, please provide a link to where the rest of us can see it.....and compare it to Patty.
I'm not as all-knowing as you are, kitty.
I don't know whether or not the PG Film will ever be more accepted by scientists....and as for whether it'll ever be 'more accepted' here, by Jref "skeptics", I simply don't care.
LTC8K6
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http://www.bigfootencounters.com/images/patty-bent-over.gif
The "missing head" is clearly a video artifact, bobbie. You can see the defect across the whole frame. Patty is not bent over at all in this still.
The "missing head" is clearly a video artifact, bobbie. You can see the defect across the whole frame. Patty is not bent over at all in this still.
LTC8K6
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Crow, there are overhead shots of the area, and shadows of trees fall across Patty, so it's possible to say in general where Patty is in relation to the tree line where Gimlin is supposedly hiding. That leads to how big Gimlin would have to be to appear as claimed.
The question as to why Patty would not head for the cover of those trees still stands, though. Especially after someone supposedly put a round through Patty's thigh...
LTC8K6
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That's Gimlin's laundry.
Of course, he knew Roger was going to blast Bob H. and he was in the way of the shot so he dropped his laundry, ran across the trackway, and hid behind a tree.
Wow, that actually makes sense!
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Chris Murphy used an overhead shot (taken in 1971) and combined it with Titmus' map. This is his opinion of Patty's path, including where she crosses the road and climbs the hill to sit and watch P&G. There are problems with this diagram.
She totally avoided the closest cover of the forest and basically wanders across the sandbar.
She totally avoided the closest cover of the forest and basically wanders across the sandbar.
kitakaze
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It's not hard to understand my enthusiasm for Bigfoot (in general)....I caught it from Joyce.
Holy crap, Sweaty! You quoted properly! Show makaya how it's done. You didn't catch your Bigfoot enthusiasm from Joyce. When you called her you were already a Bigfoot enthusiast. Her anecdote, which we've totally destroyed as reliable evidence (been explained countless times), simply made you more giddy.
Predictably, you ignored the main point of the post which was that the PGF by itself will never be accepted as reliable evidence, but you are the member of a group who's key members claim regular contact with Bigfoot. You could easily put the crayons aside and have them show you Bigfoot.
Oops for you, Patty's dimensions match Bob Heironimus'. Any difference can be explained by some padding (I dare you to claim he never indicated any) and additions to the suit itself.
What does that mean? Perception of muscles can easily be accounted for by a combination of suit features and the wearer's own body. Don't forget the softballs on the back of Patty McLumpy's leg.
Big horizontal subducting line completely uncharacteristic of real musclulature.
Show me individual moving toes and fingers with an explanation how a suit is ruled out. Try not to use the same old destroyed arguments.
Hairy belly rocks, weirdo subducting lines, and diaper butt indicate something extremely suit-like.
Looks like Patty:
Realistic suit:
By itself it will never be accepted. I know this. Only if Bigfoot is found and it matches the PGF subject will the film be taken seriously by the majority of people that matter. Even if that occurred, there are major unanswered questions regarding the film to be accounted for.
By your use of quotations it implies that JREF skeptics are not in fact real skeptics. Please explain this.
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That's true, kitty....I already considered the existence of Bigfoot to be a 'high probability' when I called Joyce..........but, while I was in the middle of explaining to Joyce why I thought this to be the case....she interjected.....enthusiastically....with (and I quote)...."Oh yeah, they're real!"
And so, as a result of Joyce's enthusiastic interruption, I now place a higher degree of probability, or likelihood, or odds, on Bigfoot's existence.
My enthusiasm kicked-up a notch or two.
I addressed the main point...I said that I don't know that it'll never become more accepted by scientists.
I don't have time right now to respond to your statements regarding the alleged suit....but I will, later....probably tomorrow.
I have already acknowledged that you are more "all-knowing" than I am, kitty.
You know it will never be accepted by scientists.....I don't know that it never will be.
On this, we agree.
Please read Greg's quote in my siggy line.
I could expound on that statement, with examples of similar statements made by other "skeptics" here....but I don't have the time to go hunting for them right now.
I'll collect some, as I have time to....and post them at a later date.
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Oh....BTW....the Harley Hoffman video subject is not seen under conditions comparable to the Patterson Film subject.
If you know of a video of a suit....any suit....that fills that requirement and compares closely to Patty....please post a link to it.
Thank you, kitty.
If you know of a video of a suit....any suit....that fills that requirement and compares closely to Patty....please post a link to it.
Thank you, kitty.
kitakaze
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ROFL! I couldn't have said it better. Not exactly sig material but as a stellar show of the quality of footer thinking it's pretty awesome.
No, the question about darkwing, driveroperator, and the MABRC was a key reason for that post. See Sweaty, regarding your Bigfoot enthusiasm you're very simple to me. It's ludicrously easy to expose the weaknesses of your beliefs and perspective. There are a number of key areas that I can prod and bring up and absolutely depend on you to evade and ignore. And yet there is not one single area that you could bring up about Bigfoot that I wouldn't enage you head on without hesitation. We've seen this time and again here and it is an easy way to know who is being intellectually honest and interested in sincere intelligent debate and who is not.
You see, I know by bringing up the MABRC, darkwing, driveroperator, Skilleyville, etc that you are going to start getting real shy. The MABRC forum is where you spend countless hours doodling, noodling, and pontificating about the PGF. You do that here also but you can be gauranteed to get pats on the back there as opposed to the cold hard science you get facewashed with here. You're not going to rock that boat. The lead members of the MABRC claim regular contact with Bigfoot. The owner of the site has claimed to see a whole myth of them romping through a field. He goes out with kid's toys to trip out the beasts and gets surrounded by a group of them and flees. Those guys like it hot and you could be in on that action.
Instead of doing Madden plays on PGF frames you could organize a jaunt over to Oklahoma and see some Skilleyville action firsthand. Forget ol' Patty Nopoops, you too could be swarmed by real live sasquatches. Why don't you do this? Why avoid discussing the topic? Well, for any of us that are paying attention it's very simple. You don't want to talk about anything to do with Skilleyville because you yourself can recognize that some people are getting a little carried away. You're content to keep your lips buttoned about that as long as you have a home to doodle with support. You were tossed from the BFF and harshly criticized at searchforbigfoot and you probably are not going to want to repeat anything like that. Thus I have yet another chink in the armour of another Bigfoot enthusiast. You guys are so obsessed with protecting the notions you've created in your mind that the freedom of dropping it all and just dealing with the truth is alien.
Take your time, Sweaty. I look forward to it. The simple math of taking the casts attributed to Patty and deriving a height that just happens to be the same as Bob H's from that will still be there. You know... later.
The difference being that I can and did specify some simple logic why it will never be accepted by the scientific mainstream. I specified by itself, a point that you seem to not comprehend. It's not a headscratcher for anyone but those very unique people like you, Sweaty. Unless a Bigfoot is found that looks like Patty, the PGF is worthless as reliable evidence. You will keep noodling around with it rather than get out there to join your peers seeing Bigfoot because you know in your heart that they are not.
Greg could be the most dribbling idiot on the entire JREF. He could be our Bill Green. He could be a slightly retarded person with an unwavering interest in skepticism. It would still not mean that you can use him or an statement of his to be representative of the community of the JREF as a whole. This is the kind of intellectual dishonesty that footers like yourself depend on. Your arguments suck lemons so you look for other ways to take potshots at the opposition. It never occurs to you that the "opposition" is the best help you have. Your postion is so weak that you can only swing your purse with a laughable intent of distracting from your weak arguments by quibbling over the semantics of someone telling you your evidence sucks. If that's the best you got, then you should really sit down for a rethink.
kitakaze
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Remember when I said that something was incomparable and you said "too bad, I'm comparing it."? Right back at you. However brief it may be, Harley Hoffman's video features many of the same elements mentioned with the PGF. The hair, it's length, colour, and glossiness.The appearance of detailed musculature, the size, andthe width. They are very comparable images and so many people have done that in the past. Also I gave you for the benefit of understanding,an example of a gorilla suit that shows a realism beyond anything PGF fans could ever dream of.
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