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alien life possibility is pathetic

Makaya--

You still haven't responded to post 572. I'd like to know if that star is capable of having a solar system that can sustain life.

Also, whether your answer is yes or no, I'd like to know how you come by it.

If you don't answer the second part, fine, but you can still tell me yes or no, right?

Thanks.
 
NobbyNobbs said:
Makaya--

You still haven't responded to post 572. I'd like to know if that star is capable of having a solar system that can sustain life.

Also, whether your answer is yes or no, I'd like to know how you come by it.

If you don't answer the second part, fine, but you can still tell me yes or no, right?

Thanks.
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You cant tell from a crumby photo like that, try getting me a more clearer photo of a globular cluster or detailed image of a region in our galaxy. Then i will gladly tell you what ones are good and what ones arent
 
makaya325 said:
You cant tell from a crumby photo like that, try getting me a more clearer photo of a globular cluster or detailed image of a region in our galaxy. Then i will gladly tell you what ones are good and what ones arent
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Like the alleged muscle movement in the PGF?
 
makaya325 said:
You cant tell from a crumby photo like that, try getting me a more clearer photo of a globular cluster or detailed image of a region in our galaxy. Then i will gladly tell you what ones are good and what ones arent
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Ah--so you completely retract your idiotic assertion that the possibility of alien life is pathetic, and you now admit that it's simply unknown?


You do realize that we don't have photos of MOST of the stars in the universe. (Heck--we can't even get photos of all the stars in our galaxy!)
 
makaya325 said:
You cant tell from a crumby photo like that, try getting me a more clearer photo of a globular cluster or detailed image of a region in our galaxy. Then i will gladly tell you what ones are good and what ones arent
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uhm...you do realize you are sounding more "woo" with every post......
 
Seriously, now that Makaya has answered post 572, we know exactly what evidence he would require to make the assertion he's made that the possibility of alien life is pathetic.

Since we don't have clear photos of all the stars in the universe, Makaya has admitted that we simply don't know whether there are stars that could have a planet that could sustain life.

It's the first very nearly sensible thing he's said, I think.
 
makaya325 said:
You cant tell from a crumby photo like that,
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Exactly our point. The galaxies in that photo are so far away that that photo is the highest resolution was can image them at. So how can you claim that they are inhospitable to life?
 
Yes, I think there's a chance that there is intelligent life out there, even life as intelligent as or more intelligent than we are. However, I highly doubt that any of them will create space-faring civilizations. I definitely don't think they've visited us. Here's why.

Civilization, the organizational structures that support it, and the mindframe necessary to actually allow it to happen without realizing that it goes against almost everything that our brains and bodies are programmed for, happened because of a long string of accidents, drastic climatological changes, and other such situations. Civilization wasn't a natural offshoot of human history, quite the opposite.

Homo Sapiens has been around a few hundred thousand years, and human ancestors have been around for millions, but civilization, government, organized religion, and agriculture have only been around for 8-10,000 years - the evolutionary blink of an eye. We didn't evolve into it, either. We are, physically and biologically, exactly the same as our ancestors of 300,000 years ago.

Also, let us keep in mind that we don't know the odds of an intelligent race developing, say, opposable thumbs or an equivalent physical structure capable of allowing the development of agriculture and the building of homes and cities, much less space-faring ships. They could be highly intelligent plants or even protozoa. We just don't know.

Therefore, even though a human-like species (or something much much more intelligent) could possibly be living very happily on another planet or a million other planets, I highly doubt that they have or will ever reach the "civilized" point that allows for something like space travel.

At least, I hope they don't. One is enough.
 
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Thanks :) I've tried to find out what other people think of my thoughts on this matter, but I've never been able to find anyone who cared about the subject and simultaneously knew much or cared much about our evolutionary past. Maybe one of you guys can tell me if my theory makes any sense.
 
Well, something that I have often posted here is that too many people think of intelligence, civilization, etc from a human-centric point of view. I give you kudos for recognizing that in your post. Also, you get kudos for not stating things as a certianty on this particular subject. There is just oo much that we don't know. Although you frame your thoughts within something that we DO know, which again is good. I see a good future for you. :) Although, I'll leave it to the more prolific posters here to really get into your post, this was just a surface analysis.
 
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makaya325 said:
You cant tell from a crumby photo like that, try getting me a more clearer photo of a globular cluster or detailed image of a region in our galaxy. Then i will gladly tell you what ones are good and what ones arent
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I hate to tell you this, but a crummy photo like that is the best we can do for 99.999999% of the stars we're able to image. In fact, that particular image is of a star relatively close to our own solar system (astronomically speaking,of course). Imagine the quality of images of stars farther away. If you can't tell from this photo, how can you tell from others?

And that's just within our own galaxy. The distances to other galaxies are orders of magnitude higher, with the images correspondingly crummier.

Yes, technology is improving. It's been quite some time since that image was taken. But the point still stands.

Let me ask this....what are the odds that that particular star supports life?

To give you some more info about it, it is a G2 type star (similar to our sun), main sequence yellow dwarf, about halfway through its life span. It exists within our own galaxy.
 
makaya325 said:
You cant tell from a crumby photo like that, try getting me a more clearer photo of a globular cluster or detailed image of a region in our galaxy. Then i will gladly tell you what ones are good and what ones arent
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I should also mention that I have given you an image of an individual star. You respond by asking for a clear photo of a globular cluster. I hate to ask this, but I suppose I should verify that you know the difference between a star, a globular cluster, and a galaxy, right?
 
NobbyNobbs said:
I should also mention that I have given you an image of an individual star. You respond by asking for a clear photo of a globular cluster. I hate to ask this, but I suppose I should verify that you know the difference between a star, a globular cluster, and a galaxy, right?
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Its basically a star nursery.
 
I didn't mean to give anyone an out, I was just trying to understand the argument. The latter pages have changed my mind to some degree.I mean we are talking a potentially infinite amount of space, I mean anyone who knows that we can't and may never see all that is out there kind of understands that.
 
fullflavormenthol said:
I didn't mean to give anyone an out, I was just trying to understand the argument. The latter pages have changed my mind to some degree.I mean we are talking a potentially infinite amount of space, I mean anyone who knows that we can't and may never see all that is out there kind of understands that.
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Ffm, you did absolutely nothing wrong. It was simply intellectual dishonesty for makaya to adopt your suggestion. We have clear evidence that he never intended any such ploy and was only looking for a way to back out of his ridiculous arguments.
 
makaya325 said:
I am fully aware of everyone on the forum believing ufo's are simply man made and made up, But im talking about et life. Isnt it so ignorant and wooish to suggest that we arent the only life in the universe? Come on, does anyone see the incredibly complex events on earth that made it even POSSIBLE for the simplest of life to form? How can anyone believe it is even possible for 100's of unique events to happen just right on other planets. You need the right sun, the right planet size, the right galaxy, the right moon, etc and the list goes on and on from there. Why do many of you fall for the et life credibility?
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Have you looked out your window and checked out the size of the universe, lately? :rolleyes:
 
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