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alien life possibility is pathetic

makaya325 said:
Do you realize our galaxy is one of the largest in the universe? What about the fact that the milky way is one of the oldest galaxies, and by far the most habitable, yet its shown to be incredibly unlikely to support other complex life
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So you can't answer the questions you have been asked.

I think this is a reasonable point to deduce you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Further discussion with you on this issue is pointless.

Enjoy the hole of ignorance you are hiding in.
 
If Makaya meant this thread as a gotcha as he claimed after fullflavormenthol suggested the idea, why is he still arguing against alien life?

fullflavormenthol said:
So was this entire thread merely an exercise in creating an analogy to show us that saying that bigfoot doesn't exist is the same as saying the there is no possibility for alien life on other planets?
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makaya325 said:
BINGO! We have a winner!

Yes, i was fed up a bit, for people not giving the subject any of their time. Do you know that only 6% of land in US is developed?
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If he wasn't lying there and taking the out ffm gave him, then there is no meaning to continue arguing against alien life. It would mean that position was not really his and it was only a demonstration. And yet Makaya has refused a simple challenge that would prove his cunning premeditation and further proved his cluelessness by continuing the argument. Does Makaya realize how ridiculous he is making himself look?
 
makaya325 said:
Jeez leweez, all uninhabitable galaxies! Where do i start?

Many of those galaxies lack metalicity, which would allow life to start, and are irregular or elliptical, which is dangerous to complex life.
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And many of them have since evolved to have higher metallicity, which would allow complex life to form.

Our Galaxy was once a huge elliptical metal poor galaxy, but it isn't anymore.

Ashles said:
And how do you know complex or irregular galaxies are dangerous to any sort of life? All the rare earth hypothesis proposes is that a star is in a stable area for long enough for life to evolve. Why is this impossible even in complex or irregular galaxies?
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Excellent point.

Correa Neto said:
Uhm...

A barred spiral galaxy would not be as cozy to life as a spiral, wouldn't it? Too chaotic when compared with those nice and organized spirals, eh?
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We're living in a barred spiral galaxy!

makaya325 said:
Do you realize our galaxy is one of the largest in the universe? What about the fact that the milky way is one of the oldest galaxies, and by far the most habitable, yet its shown to be incredibly unlikely to support other complex life
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Nope. It's on the larger side of average, but by no means one of the largest. Andromeda is larger by a fair whack.

JFrankA said:
Even if you can determine the metallicity of a whole galaxy just by looking at it's picture (which sounds like woo to me, by the way), you are looking at an image that is old - not as it is now, and much older than 2.5 million years.

I'm still calling Shenanigans on you.
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Actually, you can tell the avearge metallicity of a galaxy, from its spectrum and also its colour, but it's just an average, which is more representative of the brighter stars, since they contribute more light.
 
And as has been hinted at, the older a galaxy, the more metallic it becomes because metals are formed in supernova explosions by stars that have reached the end of their life. When we look out at a galaxy, we see it in an earlier stage of its life, and fewer stars have gone supernova and created metals.
 
wollery said:
We're living in a barred spiral galaxy!
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And with a black hole at it`s core! Gotcha!

-5 penalty to arthwollipot for spoling my "gotcha moment".


Now regarding metallicity, I`m not sure that 2.5My would be enough to change a galaxy`s metallicity by a significant ammount. One must take in to account the average lifespan of the starts where these elements are forged. 2.5My seems to short. Maybe someone better informed, like wollery could enlighten us.
 
makaya325 said:
Do you realize our galaxy is one of the largest in the universe? What about the fact that the milky way is one of the oldest galaxies, and by far the most habitable, yet its shown to be incredibly unlikely to support other complex life
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Makaya, please stop making yourself look like an ignorant fool all the time. The smartest thing for you to do right now is to educate yourself instead of making up the answers as you go along.
 
wollery said:
Actually, you can tell the avearge metallicity of a galaxy, from its spectrum and also its colour, but it's just an average, which is more representative of the brighter stars, since they contribute more light.
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That's true. What I was calling woo was the fact that Makaya thinks he can look at a simple picture of a galaxy and know the metallicity right off.

As far as I understand it, (and please correct me if I'm wrong), you'll have to look at the spectrum, notice what bands are on it, and then you can determine the metallicity of the galaxy. However, (again, if I'm wrong, please correct me), that is the galaxy. There could be an individual star or two which has a better metallicity than others.

And despite all that, one still can't determine if there's intelligent life or not in a galaxy. It sounds like to me that Makaya is promoting that he has knowledge no one else has....sound like woo to me. :)
 
kitakaze said:
If Makaya meant this thread as a gotcha as he claimed after fullflavormenthol suggested the idea, why is he still arguing against alien life?
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Simple- He can not accept the fact that his analogy is flawed. His attempts to (under)evaluate ET possibility and plausibility were flawed but he keeps trying to push the issue.

Here`s the truth:
Bigfoot plausibility is pathetic.
ET life is plausible and possible.
 
Belz... said:
Makaya, please stop making yourself look like an ignorant fool all the time. The smartest thing for you to do right now is to educate yourself instead of making up the answers as you go along.
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You know, if I was an 18 year old boy using dad's internet to post on a skepticism and critical thinking website, I probably wouldn't talk to a large community of intelligent adults like a know-it-all. I would certainly be a lot more open to other's knowledge and wisdom.
 
kitakaze said:
You know, if I was an 18 year old boy using dad's internet to post on a skepticism and critical thinking website, I probably wouldn't talk to a large community of intelligent adults like a know-it-all. I would certainly be a lot more open to other's knowledge and wisdom.
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You are speaking from the perspective of someone who wants to learn something. Not the case here.
 
Correa Neto said:
Simple- He can not accept the fact that his analogy is flawed. His attempts to (under)evaluate ET possibility and plausibility were flawed but he keeps trying to push the issue.
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It's a crappy analogy and he can keep it but he really should thank fullflavormenthol for giving it to him.

Here`s the truth:
Bigfoot plausibility is pathetic.
ET life is plausible and possible.
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I'm estimating about 2-4 hours till a major misunderstanding of the difference between plausible and possible.
 
wollery said:
Nope. It's on the larger side of average, but by no means one of the largest. Andromeda is larger by a fair whack.
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To be fair, recent research suggests that they may actually be about the same size, with the Milky Way possibly even being more massive than Andromeda. As far as I know this hasn't been replicated yet, so maybe it hasn't been generally accepted, and I suppose you'd know more about that than me. But I saw it on the news, so it must be true.

I do wonder how this new claim that we're in one of the biggest galaxies in the universe can be reconciled with the claim that there are only a few billion stars in it at most.

We're living in a barred spiral galaxy!
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Oh noes! That must mean we don't exist!
 
Has this whole thread deteriorated into "I don't know! Ask Ward! It's his theory I'm following even though I don't understand any of what his theory says!"
 
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