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This guy, blue bear on BFF, talks up a blue streak...

blue bear on BFF said:
but have dogs ever tracked down a gorilla, which scent is repugnant, and strong.



The western lowland gorillas are very sought after and there are hunters who - with their dogs - have specialised in the gorilla hunt.

Western Gorillas


Gorilla Hunters

Mr. Mulinga, the chief of the village Kakenge, is a renowned hunter with dogs, spears and wire snares. His group killed a young gorilla on July 3, probably a member of the Mugoli group. When they were arrested, the meat of this animal was just being cooked. The hands and feet of the gorilla were the proof of the poaching and consequently, the poacher confessed. Mr. Misarhi, a pygmy, is working for the chief poacher.

Mr. Kalyagizi and his team killed 6 gorillas on June 19. These animals probably also belonged to the Mugoli group. In April Corporal Tip shot a gorilla. This man is working for the team of Georges Chamoka which killed 12 gorillas in June.

In total, 3 teams of gorilla poachers are well-known; they killed 20 gorillas altogether. They hunt with dogs and guns. In the case of the Mulinga team, the gorilla meat is mainly consumed by the poachers themselves.

Gorilla Journal 19, December 1999
 
Does anyone have a jpeg in their images of the sliding bear track in the mud from Meldrum's footprint piece? Could we have that up please? I would do it but I'm trying to economize my folder.

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From makaya's link, evidence of the Bigfoot=bear hypothesis:

Investigators have collected dozens of alleged yeren hairs and examined them in laboratories. Li Jian, a historian of science and secretary general of the Society for the Survey and Research of the Chinese Wildman, told the New York Times that microscopic comparison of eight such hairs with samples from human beings, apes, goats, and pigs had indicated the "wild man is in the middle between bears or apes and human beings." Studying samples from various regions of China, physicists at Fudan University determined that the proportion of iron to zinc was 50 times that found in human hair and seven times that in the hair of recognized primates. As Poirier and Greenwell observe, this appears to suggest that "some specific Wildman hairs derive from a higher primate not yet known to zoology." An independent analysis produced an identical finding.

BTW:

Thank you, WP, for the bear print image touted by Meldrum as Bigfoot.
 
How is poirers statements dismissed? I dont know what you want. Hair wont do it, but an 800 lb body will do?
 
Kitz, bear tracks dont really look like a flat human 18 inch track. Bears have claws, and the overstepping theory is pathetic. Heck, a monkey has a better chance. Bears cant walk, they dont have a large sagittal crest, they dont whoop, they dont throw basketball sized boulders.

We're talking about prints so why are you talking about alleged sightings? I've seen plenty of reports where the Bigfoot's head is nice and round. Please provide evidence of Bigfoot whooping. Please don't be dumb enough to give me an audio recording. Visual evidence showing Bigfoot making calls would be nice. I don't think you have such evidence, though. Also please do the same for Bigfoot hurling boulders.
 
Kitz, the labratory tests were done for the yeren, which is way more likely to exist than bigfoot
 
Kitz, the labratory tests were done for the yeren, which is way more likely to exist than bigfoot

Are you confused? Are you rushing too much and not carefully reading posts before responding? Did I give some indication that I wasn't very familiar with your link and the subject it referred to? Are you ready for discussion at the JREF?

Also, when you talk about yeren existing are you talking about yeren as bears, gibbon apes, macaque, golden monkeys, unknown ape, or what? Áll those things have been called yeren.
 
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Nope, not at all. Most prints, such as greys harbor, laird tracks, bluff creek, etc arent bears.

Did I say that most Bigfoot tracks were overlaid bear tracks? No. In fact, I even mentioned hoax tracks in the quote you posted. I think that the Bluff Creek tracks are hoaxes and I was amused to see this appear when I googled for "laird bigfoot tracks." As for the Grey's Harbor tracks, they're the tracks that matched up to the black bear track pictures I had posted earlier.

No, they werent fooled, the synthetic hairs are a contaminent.

It seems to me that you didn't read the article. If you did, then you should post a quote from the article showing why that was the case. From my reading of the article, synthetic hairs were the only hairs that were submitted and therefore couldn't have been a contaminant.

What about the bona fide unexplained hairs?

I'd like to know if they've really been tested against every type of body hair (after all, the hair on one's head isn't exactly the same as the hair on other parts of the body) of every fur-bearing animal in North America. Actually, maybe it'd be a good idea to check it against the hair of animals from other countries as well.

I'd also like to see if the "unknown" hairs were tested by multiple labs in order to see if synthetic hairs had been conclusively ruled out. If more than one of the same type of "unknown" hair is available, burning the hairs (or at least a part of them) would also reveal whether or nor they're artificial, due to how artificial hair behaves when it burns. I believe Steve Kulls did that during the Georgia Bigfoot incident.

bear tracks dont really look like a flat human 18 inch track.

Of course (regular) bear tracks don't. Overlaid ones on the other hand...

Bears have claws,

So? Claws don't always show up in bear prints.

and the overstepping theory is pathetic.

Why is it pathetic?

Bears cant walk,

Then how do they get around? Or did you mean walk on their hind legs? If so, you're incorrect. I should note that overlaid tracks probably wouldn't apply to a bear walking on its hind legs, seeing as all the overlaid bear tracks I presented are from bears walking on all fours.

they dont have a large sagittal crest,

Correct. However, I should note that there are Bigfoot reports that make no mention of crests (such as the Roe sighting) and that bears are known to stand on their hind legs in order to sniff the air. If they raise their snouts up while doing so, this could appear to be a large hairy humanoid with a pointy head if seen from the right distance. After all, if someone can mistake a bison for Bigfoot, why not for a standing bear?

Stephen Herrero also notes this behavior on page 14 of the revised, 2002 edition of his book, Bear Attacks: Their Causes and Avoidance. He also notes that grizzly bears often push their ears back/down when they're angry/aggressive. That could explain why someone wouldn't be tipped off by the ears if they see a bear and think that it's Bigfoot.

they dont whoop,

That depends on what you mean by "whoop," as bears make a variety of sounds. These three links give but a sample of the many sounds they can make. Oh, and here are some quickie notes about animal sounds and Bigfoot

they dont throw basketball sized boulders.

I can't say for certain if this is regular bear behavior, but this video shows that it's certainly not impossible for bears to throw things.
 
This guy, blue bear on BFF, talks up a blue streak...

Yeah, that guy is some kind of heavy:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.p...ic=24732&st=33

"i wish in the future, we can see stories of more and more hoaxers get hurt"


"if they are doing this to mislead researchers and to screw with people, then i have no problem of some one kicking the crap out of them"


"some hoaxers deserve whats coming to them-a bullet. It is beyond risk to costume up and run around in trigger happy areas"
 
You can read some reports of hunters who had Bigfoot in their sights, but couldn't pull the trigger because it looked "too human".

Was that a real and lucky Bigfoot; a real and lucky hoaxer; or a fabricated story? ;)
 
William, hoaxers do more harm than good, and i said if they got shot, lets say in the leg, i would have no sympathy for them. I personally wouldnt shoot someone unless my life was being threatened
 
...but he needs to provide evidence instead of anecdotes

Pot meet kettle.

No bear tracks can be mistaken.

Liar.

How is poirers statements dismissed?

Easily. Have you actually talked to Prof. Poirier? I have, and he admitted:

1. no DNA testing was done
2. he agrees with the PIXE testing, but then admits it's his understanding that PIXE testing only determines the elemental content of the hairs, not whether they are of human origin or not.

RayG
 
Its no surprise we dealt with this ages ago. Funny how some footers bring arguments back from the dead... Just to have them shot back again. Like a zombie movie...
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Unbearably bear. Just grin and bear it.

Or maybe it's a Bigfoot that didn't graduate from the school of DON'T EVER STICK YOUR FOOT IN THE MUD, YOU CRAZY JACKASS!
 

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