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Moderated Steel structures cannot globally collapse due to gravity alone

Heiwa said:
First question. Obviously no.
First proposition. Any evidence? My skills as an engineer are well proven.
Second proposition. No doubt you are competently evil. You are not alone, though :).
Last question. Life is not easy. And it is easy not to tell the truth. BTW - 99%of the truthers are not morons. Only evil persons suggest that. All of these evil persons are obvious morons.
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WRONG THREAD

Got Physics?

You have proven you are not an engineer who understands 9/11 WTC collapse, or gravity. Your ability to build ships seems to impede your understanding of tall buildings and feed your fantasy. You have proven you apologize for terrorist, you apologize for murderers.

You have proven you have no clue what thread you are in.
 
Heiwa said:
snip Same with WTC1/2. Upper parts above the fires of WTC1/2 are mostly air > 95%, snip
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Totally meaningless. You present a percentage and forget to include this is by volume not by mass.



Heiwa said:
NIST thinks that if you drop a mix of air, floors, walls, furniture, AC, cables and humans on a solid steel column or 280+ steel columns, the latter are destroyed.
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NIST thinks? NIST doesn't think, it can't. The professional scientists and their colleges at NIST determined by experiment...
As long as you continue to make ignorant, or deliberately foolish statements like this to perpetuate your myth you will be ignored. If you insist on this course, at least phrase yourself in an intelligent manner.
Unfortunately, in this case, your wrong and there's no way to word it intelligently. You're implying symmetry, as if the upper section was in contact with and supported by the lower. As if the structure was intact. It wasn't. Big hole, missing pieces, fire, load distibution etc. etc.
But you know this. We all do.

Heiwa said:
However, the suggestion is absurd! Like most propaganda. BUT, as 80%+ of the US population has no idea of PE and SE, they believe it.
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You got a source for this? Anything at all to support this statement?

Your suggestions are obsurd and not believable by 99.99999999999%population. NIST thinks so.
 
twinstead said:
I think Heiwa has the same affliction as so many other truthers; this issue is all about world view and politics to him. All that sciency stuff takes a back seat.
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Or, as Jihad Jane says, "Scientific Understanding is much less important to understanding 9/11 then Political Understanding">
 
Bell said:
Here ya go, Heiwa. This fire was started by a short circuited coffee machine!! Conspiracy!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaK5YVVaRCo

Eta: Oooh, and this is the one the stupid truthers allways like to bring up. Let me bring it up now:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3di5g_madrids-windsor-tower-on-fire_events
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Had the building been built with a supporting steel structure, it would not have partially collapsed as this reinforced concrete building did. Anyway, after the partial collapse you can see complete concrete floors still hanging from the standing remains. I understand the cause of collapse is still being investigated.
 
Heiwa said:
Had the building been built with a supporting steel structure, it would not have partially collapsed as this reinforced concrete building did. Anyway, after the partial collapse you can see complete concrete floors still hanging from the standing remains. I understand the cause of collapse is still being investigated.
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I don't see how he can cite the second one as being in favour of the OCT? THAT is EXACTLY how I'd have expected the towers to end up! Can we assume that if the tops of the Twin Towers had steadily crumbled, as opposed to suddenly collapsing, this is how they would have ended up?
 
I love the way that he has myself, NB, and anyone else more qualified than him (heck, there's my 7 year old daughter) on these issues on ignore.....
 
(Just curious. How do you know if someone has you on ignore? I've never had anyone on ignore. I can't see the point.)

Bananaman.
 
Ragnarok said:
I don't see how he can cite the second one as being in favour of the OCT? THAT is EXACTLY how I'd have expected the towers to end up! Can we assume that if the tops of the Twin Towers had steadily crumbled, as opposed to suddenly collapsing, this is how they would have ended up?
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The WTC had a concrete core :confused:
I think you are suffering from a dose of Christophera.
 
Heiwa said:
Had the building been built with a supporting steel structure, it would not have partially collapsed as this reinforced concrete building did. Anyway, after the partial collapse you can see complete concrete floors still hanging from the standing remains. I understand the cause of collapse is still being investigated.
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here ya go Mk2





Next one is Piper Alpha before



This is it after



Steel frames, fire caused collapse.
 
Ahh, but bless he'll now claim that it wasn't "total" or "global" or somesuch, even though it was patently failure of the upper superstructure.
 
Architect said:
Ahh, but bless he'll now claim that it wasn't "total" or "global" or somesuch, even though it was patently failure of the upper superstructure.
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You mean 'top side'? Yes, local, structural damages, there, to the very light weight structure. Bottom structure/legs undamaged, etc. Happens every time (off shore). But they are underwater and cannot be seen on your photos. Metamars is not happy with your pictures.
 
So, we have a substantial - heck two - metal structure which, under intense fire conditions, collapses barring the bottom bit but that's not enough to prove that fire can cause large scale structural failure.

Told you all so.

(sorry, had to say it).
 
Sigh... once again, for the truthers. And I'd love to see this question answered for a change.

How can such a floor...



... stop something like this...



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