Venezuela: Democracy in danger?

Ziggurat said:
That's funny, I made no mention of Venezuela in that post. Sorry, but you seem to have missed the point, which was that your argument was illogical. And that point stands whether or not Venezuela is a paragon of democracy.
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I know what you wanted to imply with it, why dont you atleast try to backup your claim about the non working democracy in venezuela?
 
Slayhamlet said:
Because he didn't like the economic policies of the democratically-elected president.
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Because the Democracy that was in venezuela back then, didnt work, the majorty did not get represented.
A small minority of the Venezuelans profited from the oilwealth. a minority living in luxury, while the majority of people was poor and there was no social justice. Huge corruption, and anti corruption laws where in place but not used by the corrupt government.

he wanted to do what he did after wining the elections. Change the constitution and the democratic system, he shifted the power from the oligarchs to the people.

Also the Governments order to shoot at demonstrators in Caracas lead to a formation of people that planed the coup in the army. (Caracazo)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
Because the Democracy that was in venezuela back then, didnt work, the majorty did not get represented.
A small minority of the Venezuelans profited from the oilwealth. a minority living in luxury, while the majority of people was poor and there was no social justice. Huge corruption, and anti corruption laws where in place but not used by the corrupt government.

he wanted to do what he did after wining the elections. Change the constitution and the democratic system, he shifted the power from the oligarchs to the people.

Also the Governments order to shoot at demonstrators in Caracas lead to a formation of people that planed the coup in the army. (Caracazo)
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So his coup is righteous but the other guy's is not. Why didn't he just wait and run as a candidate? BTW he was not shot, mores the pity, but was pardoned 2 years later. Some evil regime he tried to overthrow.
 
Texas said:
So his coup is righteous but the other guy's is not. Why didn't he just wait and run as a candidate? BTW he was not shot, mores the pity, but was pardoned 2 years later. Some evil regime he tried to overthrow.
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because he and many others didnt belive in the existing democratic system, since decades they wanted change, change was promised and never arived.

it was not the same regime that pardoned him, it was the president that came after the president that they tryed to overtrow.

and today, the people have a right to rebel, it is in the constitution.
also the opposition that planed the coup, are stil in the media and politics.
opposition leaders from time to time calls for a coup on the private media, they dont get arrested or so, they are free to do that.

would that be alowed in the US? callup for a coup in the US on national TV?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
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and today, the people have a right to rebel, it is in the constitution.
also the opposition that planed the coup, are stil in the media and politics.
opposition leaders from time to time calls for a coup on the private media, they dont get arrested or so, they are free to do that.

would that be alowed in the US? callup for a coup in the US on national TV?
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So the Venezuelan constitution has the "right to rebel" clause? I would love to see that. Could you post that part?
 
another thing is, before the 1999 constitution, there was no legal way for the people to kick the government out of power.

Today, they have the recallreferendum, where you can start a referendum that will lead to a national vote to confirm or kick the president or any other elected position.

nowadays the Venezuelan people have democratic tools to use, which they didnt have pre 99.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
another thing is, before the 1999 constitution, there was no legal way for the people to kick the government out of power.

Today, they have the recallreferendum, where you can start a referendum that will lead to a national vote to confirm or kick the president or any other elected position.

nowadays the Venezuelan people have democratic tools to use, which they didnt have pre 99.
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I am asking for the constitutional "Right to Rebel".
 
Texas said:
I am asking for the constitutional "Right to Rebel".
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The 1999 Constitution of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela was drafted and brought into force by the then Head of State Hugo Chávez.


It is an interesting hybrid of jurisprudential and political norms drawn from sources as wide as Simón Bolívar's writings on constitutionality and popular sovereignty, José Martí, the Peruvian Marxist José Carlos Mariátegui, Stalin and Evgeny Pashukanis. It is essentially a Bolivarian-Marxist charter, incorporating elements of popular sovereignty (such as frequent referenda), social responsibilities, the right to rebel against injustice and the eternal independence of the republic from foreign domination.


It allows the citizens to initiate a referendum about removing the current Head of State from power. Such a referendum was held in 2004, but didn't receive majority support. (See Venezuelan recall referendum, 2004.)
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http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/1999-Venezuela-Constitution

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Constitution_of_Venezuela
 
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