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Anyone know about the unreleased Midwest bigfoot video

Skeptic Guy said:
Why would they lose their jobs if they reported a bigtoot?
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This is another woo excuse to try to "reason away" why theres no "official" action,position or effort to do anything bigfoot.

( I'm going to impose on Rock[ my "former' chief lackey] to back me up as another LEO)

ANY ( all) branches of service, be they LE, military,"whatever" have what we in the groups call "war stories" ( define that any way you wish)

Those are time honored tales- some based in fact, others based in fantasy and some inbetween. So and so saw/heard/investigated_____________ and then__________ happened and i heard it from _______________ . ( fill it in any way you wish)

Now lets talk OFFICIAL. It is these peoples SWORN responsibility and JOB to "REPORT" anything that falls within the parameter of possible danger to public safety, complaints from citizens etc. ( when its REAL)

No officer/NCO in any field i have ever heard of was disciplined in any way for filing an OFFICIAL report ( regardless of the subject matter or how strange) it may appear.

Pilots ( civilian and military) have reported strange things ( UFO's if you will defined as UNIDENTIFIED flying objects that may not default to alien craft), guards have reported bumps and noises near their posts and the list goes on.

None of these people had their careers ended for doing their JOB.

BUT, people are NOT going to sign their name on an official incident report for a "war story". ( that action can and normally WILL have adverse career impact)

The reason you see so few "official reports" isnt because theres some grand BF "cover up" that goes to the highest level of the Illuminati and enforced by the MIB but because they are mainly jokes or stories.
 
Diogenes said:
Well Skeptic Guy, that's a whole nother' legend altogether .. Maybe worthy of it's own thread..
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Doh! My son would claim that there is plenty of evidence of Bigtoots. His father being one.

LONGTABBER PE said:
This is another woo excuse to try to "reason away" why theres no "official" action,position or effort to do anything bigfoot.

( I'm going to impose on Rock[ my "former' chief lackey] to back me up as another LEO)

ANY ( all) branches of service, be they LE, military,"whatever" have what we in the groups call "war stories" ( define that any way you wish)

Those are time honored tales- some based in fact, others based in fantasy and some inbetween. So and so saw/heard/investigated_____________ and then__________ happened and i heard it from _______________ . ( fill it in any way you wish)

Now lets talk OFFICIAL. It is these peoples SWORN responsibility and JOB to "REPORT" anything that falls within the parameter of possible danger to public safety, complaints from citizens etc. ( when its REAL)

No officer/NCO in any field i have ever heard of was disciplined in any way for filing an OFFICIAL report ( regardless of the subject matter or how strange) it may appear.

Pilots ( civilian and military) have reported strange things ( UFO's if you will defined as UNIDENTIFIED flying objects that may not default to alien craft), guards have reported bumps and noises near their posts and the list goes on.

None of these people had their careers ended for doing their JOB.

BUT, people are NOT going to sign their name on an official incident report for a "war story". ( that action can and normally WILL have adverse career impact)

The reason you see so few "official reports" isnt because theres some grand BF "cover up" that goes to the highest level of the Illuminati and enforced by the MIB but because they are mainly jokes or stories.
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I would agree. If a park ranger (offiically) reported that he saw a new species of animal, I don't think he would be fired. Further evidence would be required but he would be a hero if it all panned out.
 
I wonder if any NAs lost their social status within the tribe for claiming an Otter Man (or whatever) encounter.
 
Skeptic Guy said:
I would agree. If a park ranger (offiically) reported that he saw a new species of animal, I don't think he would be fired. Further evidence would be required but he would be a hero if it all panned out.
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It wouldnt even have to be that grand. These Rangers have a duty to protect people, protect the land, protect the animals etc. Its their job. Even if it wasnt a new species or a "confirmed" BF sighting- its pretty simple to say

Report :xxxxxxxxxx

I experienced what appeared to be a large animal at area X. It had somewhat of a pungent odor. It also made some low gutteral noises and high pitched shrills.

The area contains matted grasses, impressions in the ground that may be prints and other evidence of a large animal moving thru the brush.

Given the number of hikers ( hunters, fishermen,nature lovers or whatever) that frequent area X, I feel it prudent in the interests of public safety and for the animal should it be a straggler or somehow diseased to be investigated by biologists/agents from the state DNR as a precautionary measure.

Signed: Ranger Rick

Now, who is going to be fired,ostracised, disciplined for that report? What higher agency ( with that report on file) isnt going to respond out of the interest of public safety? ( just in case some hiker did come up missing and became some bears lunch?)

Now, take that same report and make it LE, military, fire department, EMT or girl scout.

Thats how it would happen in the REAL world.
 
makaya325 said:
They would be fired if they didnt provide evidence
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I can assure you from personal experience ( being the first responder making the report and later the NCOIC taking the report then later the investigator sent out) thats not correct.

Contrary to popular belief, officers "of the line" are not trained CSI types or qualified to investigate anything. ( certain exceptions apply for smaller departments) their primary job is to enforce the law, ensure immediate security and only the most basic of evidence collection.

Thats why there is the position of "detective/investigator" and criminalist- those positions take special and advanced training from a line officer.
 
Long, but if the claim they made was incredible and not reliable, wouldnt they get the boot? Or would it be ok if people make mistakes?
 
makaya325 said:
They would be fired if they didnt provide evidence
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Complete nonsense.

Did you read Longtabber's post? As a former LEO - I can tell you that what he posted is true.
(it's also true that I was referred to as his lackey by one of the marvelous mods on the BFF - but that that is another story.:D)

Fer cryin' out loud - I formally investigated two sasquatch reports when I was a police officer.

During my career - at no time would anybody have been reprimanded for dutifully reporting anything out of the ordinary that came to their attention.
I can also tell you that writing a report and signing your name to it is a very serious action in the world of LE. If people seriously question your report - they are questioning your integrity as a police officer. That is not something that anyone takes lightly.

As recently as last year - I checked with two very high ranking Officers of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who assured me that that nothing had changed and if there was reason to believe that a report of a sasquatch sighting had merit - it would be dealt with formally (i.e. a case would be assigned to a member for investigation).
 
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makaya325 said:
Long, but if the claim they made was incredible and not reliable, wouldnt they get the boot? Or would it be ok if people make mistakes?
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That is just silly.

"I think I saw something like a bear running on two feet."

"Did you get evidence?"

"No. It whizzed by real fast"

"You're fired."

Someone please explain to me why the JREF doesn't have a good forehead slap smiley.
 
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makaya325 said:
Long, but if the claim they made was incredible and not reliable, wouldnt they get the boot? Or would it be ok if people make mistakes?
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let me try to guide you here with legitimate facts and attempt to undo some of the BIGFOOT science aspect.

In the real world

There are 2 types of reports- initial and follow up ( or responding officer/CSI or however the department is set up)

A "responding" officer is generally a "patrol officer" and as such is there to provide more "site security" until the experts can be dispatched.

Field reports from those situations are often ( to a layman) viewed as 'incredible","unreliable" and mistakes happen.

Heres why ( excluding a violent or life threatening incident- thats a whole different ballgame) a responding officer first has to get back to his patrol route ( only X number of patrol officers in a given area) so his job is to record what he sees, hears,observes etc.

He may ( or may not) have the expertise,equipment, time or even opportunity to follow up on what his senses are telling him. ( much less validate it) Thats not his FIRST responsibility. His first responsibility is to secure the scene and protect evidence- then depending on circumstances he may have the time etc to go looking. Then theres the threat factor.

Lets say you got a BF report at night in a rural area. Might be a BF, might be a bear. No officer is going to walk in the dark with his sidearm and a maglite and risk a close encounter of the worst kind with a large animal. He will call for back up ( with appropriate firepower/massed firepower) and or the hounds. ( or call the DNR)

Hes not going to get in trouble for that. he's not going to get in trouble for saying he saw something that might be a bigfoot. He's not going to get fragged for reporting "animal like" noises.

"Reliability" is determined in the investigation phase ( where the right people have the time/training/experience and reduced threat level) not the first response phase.
 
makaya325 said:
They would laugh at you, and you would be labeled "Mr.woo"
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( dude, shhhhhhh but heres a secret- that happens for some reason on just about every shift. Someones always having "one of those calls" and wind up getting ragged about it)
 
William, come on. If someone said they encountered bigfoot, the officials would roll their eyes
 
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