Anyone know about the unreleased Midwest bigfoot video

[Uncayimmy]

im correct bout the no searching. neither side has gave a damn to put effort to search, and no, the bfro is a joke when it comes to searching. the remote areas of na are rarely visited by man, and im stating this as a fact, that theyre RARELY visited.

No searching? You're kidding, right?

http://www.bigfootexpedition.com/

the gorilla took a couple weeks to find it in areas where we know they exist. it did not take a day or 2.

They looked for it and they found it, long before you had radios, GPS, helicopters and battery operated motion sensor cameras. Back then they didn't have incredibly powerful zoom lenses and portable video cameras.

but you ignore the fact that scientists laughed at the natives accounts of the gorilla,

Could that be because of all the myths people have perpetuated over the years? And while you say they "laughed" they really just said, "show me the evidence." And, as best as I can determine, the natives didn't provide the evidence. Scientists and explorers came up with it.

sorry mate, but just accept that science has been wrong countless times

How do you know science has been wrong countless times? Could it be, I dunno, because science corrected itself? The animal sciences are pretty easy compared to theoretical physics. Any mope with rifle can prove the existence of BF.

But BF has not been proven to exist. That is without question. The only question is whether the "evidence" provided warrants further investigation. In my opinion, it would be a waste of time.

By the way, you seem to have a contradictory argument. You believe that this is a rare and elusive beast. Fine. Then how do you know you're supposed to look for it? I mean, if there's a mountain of reliable evidence warranting further investigation, then it's really not a rare and elusive beast, now is it?

 

[CORed]

I don't have (and I question whether you do either) have any information that suggests there have been no discoveries of their remains. I would imagine that the locals come across their remains on occasion, as do people living in the Pacific Northwest come across the remains of other types of bears and large animals.

I would be open to the suggestion that the instances are fewer than in the US given the scarcity of the animal and the remoteness of their habitat, but I would still imagine they find the remains.

All over the country, I can see stuffed and mounted bears, bearskin rugs, etc. Yet nowhere do I find bigfoot skin rugs or stuffed and mounted bigfoots.

I will concede there is a remote possibility that there are bigfoots living in some remote wilderness area. However, until somebody shows me unequivocal remains (or captures a live bigfoot), I will have to say that it is highly unlikely that there is any such animal. Videos, movies, footprints and still photos are all just too easy to fake.

 

[LTC8K6]

A gorilla staying hidden in say, 1810, is a far cry fom a gorilla staying hidden today.

 

[rockinkt]

Rockin, i doubt their are 1000's of people out their daily. Im sorry, but maybe a few doing some logging, wildlife studies etc. but not 1000's. Why dont we just say billions of people are doing that for a matter. Why is it that people say you can go years without seeing other signs of man? Also with increased logging in the 50's, bigfoot sightings skyrocketed. maybe its a possible connection, but its pointless to bring up as any form of evidence

How many people do you think are involved in the logging industry in British Columbia that spend every working day in the bush? (here's a hint - there are less than in the 1990's when about 40,000 people were involved in the logging industry with about 12,000 employed directly in the tree to mill harvesting process).
Now add the number of people involved in the mining/oil/gas industry.
Still think we are talking just a few?

How many people do you think are involved in tree planting during the periods of March to October in British Columbia? (Another hint: around 200 million seedlings will be planted in BC in 2009 - a twenty year low.)

How many hunters are there in British Columbia in any given year?

You obviously do not have any idea of how many people are actually in the bush due to their employment/recreation or you would not be trying to make the arguments that you are.

 

[Uncayimmy]

A gorilla staying hidden in say, 1810, is a far cry fom a gorilla staying hidden today.

Man, I gotta take a break from this board. For a second there it looked like you were talking about time travel. With the BF people, you never know.

I made essentially the same point. There are numerous gadgets available that make it so much easier to obtain visual evidence. This article talks about a motion sensor camera accidentally getting a picture of a small, rare wolverine that was thought to no longer even exist in California since there had been only a few sightings over the years.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080306144240.htm

Considering the number of BF sightings and the number of people searching for them, it makes you wonder. Of course, a BF believer will use this as evidence about how hard it is to see a BF.

After all, a small animal rarely reported to be seen is the same thing as a giant animal reportedly seen thousands of times.

 

[Skeptic Guy]

All over the country, I can see stuffed and mounted bears, bearskin rugs, etc. Yet nowhere do I find bigfoot skin rugs or stuffed and mounted bigfoots.

I will concede there is a remote possibility that there are bigfoots living in some remote wilderness area. However, until somebody shows me unequivocal remains (or captures a live bigfoot), I will have to say that it is highly unlikely that there is any such animal. Videos, movies, footprints and still photos are all just too easy to fake.

That's correct, and where I was trying to get to, but really didn't have time for a lengthy post.

To suggest that there isn't anyone out there looking around the Pacific Northwest is naive. Whether they are scientists actively pursuing BF or biologists looking for Elk, bears, deer, wolves, Spotted Owls, Bald Eagles, natural resources, UFOs....skunks...oh, you get the idea...they're out there. And it is very telling that no one has found one thing, zip, nada, zero...indicating a yet to be discovered large creature of some significant intelligence.

 

[William Parcher]

If this "new" video really is the "pancake" video then it's worthless and sucky. I saw it on BFF (or it was linked from there) before a lawsuit caused it to be removed.

There must be a bunch of people who still have this video on their hard drive.

 

[clayflingythingy]

Getting back to the OP, Makaya, this thread is about a Midwestern BF film. BF is not limited to the PNW but is found all over the U.S.

They are even found here in my home state of KY. That footers believe that BF can exist undiscovered in my home state shows how much footers engage in wishful thinking. There is no area in the state that can be considered "remote wilderness". You can leave a trail and be walking thru an area that you "just know" hasn't seen a man in decades when you will stumble over a fresh beer can, tampon, or other sign of mankind.

If BF existed in Ky he would have been discovered years ago.

 

[makaya325]

I agree clay. I feel that bf would easily be found in Kentucky. If your talking about the remote regions of canada and the pnw, then it gets harder and harder.

Did you know there was an 80 year span between sightings of the wolverine? Perhaps most people who see bf are mistaken, and the other few are true, So we end up with a possible animal that is seen a couple 100 times, which is incredibly incredibly low for sightings in the animal kingdom.

 

[makaya325]

Skeptic Guy, I dont think any park surveyor would report bigfoot because of the possibility of losing their job and reputation

 

[makaya325]

Uncle, why would people report wolverines. Most likely was that tons of people saw them, but wouldnt care to report it

 

[makaya325]

Tracks arent exactly easy to fake. They definitely can be faked, but its definitely not easy. I myself did an experiment when i carved out wooden feet to make imprints in my backyard soil. im 155, and these stompers didnt even make a noticable imprint.

 

[kitakaze]

So mayaka, I take it you dismiss reports from the state of Ohio?

BTW, I submit that a person who claims not to be a Bigfoot enthusiast yet is stomping around his backyard with wooden feet on is maybe not being frank.

I wonder, have you ever posted on any Bigfoot forum before registering at BFF as blue bear? Not that it's any business of mine, of course. It's just you've accumulated far, far to many footerisms to have only had a minor passing interest, wouldn't you say?

 

[makaya325]

I love the whole Bigfoot phenomona, especially the commercials, merchandise, books, etc its all very cool.

I tend to focus on the few reports that i feel are worth taking a look at. I used the wooden feet as an experiment to see how easy or hard it is to fake tracks.

I dont like when people of different views label other peoples views in a deragotory way. Im a little tired of the name callings, such as the skeptoids, woos, cranks, etc.

 

[kitakaze]

I love the whole Bigfoot phenomona, especially the commercials, merchandise, books, etc its all very cool.

Well, it is pretty interesting. I find Bigfootery and its enthusiasts more interesting than any prospective creature. I was hoping you might tell me if you've been on a Bigfoot forum before, though. You've picked up a lot of blurbs and "factoids" that Bigfoot enthusiasts pass around to eachother particularly in forums.

I tend to focus on the few reports that i feel are worth taking a look at. I used the wooden feet as an experiment to see how easy or hard it is to fake tracks.

Could you tell me your criteria as to what makes you feel something is worth taking a look at? Also, I would still like to know if you dismiss a report because it comes from Ohio.

I dont like when people of different views label other peoples views in a deragotory way. Im a little tired of the name callings, such as the skeptoids, woos, cranks, etc.

I can understand that. Have you been called lots of names? Because I haven't seen anyone do that to you here. Well... I mean, I saw you do it:

I can think of a few tools who are for and against the big guys existence

Physician, heal thyself, right?

Anyway, I think when you said...

kitz, no, i just have a general interest in the phenomona. nothing more.

...what you meant was that you have a passionate interest and are an enthusiast of the subject. That's great. I also noticed on the BFF that you spoke of being a native. I have a thread on researching alleged native myths and traditions regarding Bigfoot and your input would be more than welcome.

 

[makaya325]

That is correct, Kit, i am a native. I would rather not discuss my culture's beliefs here because i dont like being laughed at, which happened in my study hall because i was telling stories of bigfoot. I am a member of the Hoopa's, However, my family and I recently moved to long island, New york from california. I do know that my people regard bigfoot as just another animal, like a bear or moose, and that message is the strongest evidence for me to remain open.

btw, Kitz, do you like Native artifacts, because my family has masks of the native wildlife on my wall

 

[makaya325]

About the criteria, Kitz:

1. Does the area have enough food, how isolated is it, are there any trace signs, such as in the form of tracks, scat, hair etc. I also look at the history of the area regarding sightings of the big man

 

[kitakaze]

That is correct, Kit, i am a native. I would rather not discuss my culture's beliefs here because i dont like being laughed at, which happened in my study hall because i was telling stories of bigfoot. I am a member of the Hoopa's, However, my family and I recently moved to long island, New york from california.

I respect your reluctance but I have to tell you I can't help but take some exception to that worry. Have you examined the thread? A number of native people have been involved including those who are both believers and skeptics. You have mentioned Kathy Strain who has both participated and been discussed. I have very different views on the subject with Kathy but respect her and enjoy a friendly rapport. I have taken great care to ensure that the subject is dealt with in a respectful and considerate manner. Not one apect of native traditions and heritage has been mocked or laughed at and the first person to do so in that thread would get rained on by me. If you are not comfortable to discuss the issue here as you do at a Bigfoot site I will certainly not pirsue you to do so but I encourage you to try reading the first page of that thread. I think you'll be surprised.

I do know that my people regard bigfoot as just another animal, like a bear or moose, and that message is the strongest evidence for me to remain open.

That's interesting and if you change your mind, I'd like to hear more about it in that thread. Legends and traditions of the Hoopa and Yurok have been discussed in great detail. We've had testimony from Hoopa who emphatically state that there is absolutely no sasquatch entity in their traditions and that it was a creation of those of European descent.

btw, Kitz, do you like Native artifacts, because my family has masks of the native wildlife on my wall

Yes, I do like native artefacts, including masks. We've discussed them many many times in great detail in my thread. Have a look when you have time. Also, if you ever feel you've seen a mask depicting sasquatches, then please share.

 

[kitakaze]

About the criteria, Kitz:

1. Does the area have enough food, how isolated is it, are there any trace signs, such as in the form of tracks, scat, hair etc. I also look at the history of the area regarding sightings of the big man

All such things have been described in reports from Ohio, Texas, New York, Florida, and many other places.

Please show me a report from Canada or the American PNW that you feel satisfies your criteria. Then I will show you another from one of the above areas I listed.

I look forward to that report.

 

[makaya325]

Kitz, there are Hoopas who dont believe due to the fact that none of them ever heard from the 1st generation. I had the opportunity to listen to stories told by 1st generation hoopas, and it argues that sasquatch is a real animal. That doesnt mean i claim it as a fact.