Merged Jim Callahan's MDC claim

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The JREF doesn't care about your challenge.
How are you going to get a magic trick past the JREF? You are no different to Koenig-you just want an audience and TV show for your participation in JREF MDC.

Cannnot see that happening.
 
Jim Callahan said:
You are incorrect and as those who are attempting to help realize I am proceeding forward.

At this time we are assessing the true viability of this taking place so as not to waste anyone’s time.
The process of reworking my original challenge to the JREF is also underway.

I would suggest if others can not post on topic they should not post to this thread.

In addition it might be suggested that until progress is made from my side in solidifying some details there is no reason for anyone to post.

Questions about this experiment will be answered but only if they are on topic.
But as stated above I really see no reason until some things are worked out.
(This may take from a few days to a week I suspect)

Chris 'Skeptic Bible' is helping with some of this.

Anyway I am sorry if this post sounds edgy and I also say sorry for the tone I took with some of you.
At times I forget myself.

Best Wishes,

Jim
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Nope, I am correct on both counts. (1) You did unequivocally state that you would apply for the MDC.

(2) You have since then NOT applied and NOT stated a paranormal claim. You have, in fact, stated that what you do is NOT paranormal at all.

You ARE seemingly attempting to come up with a protocol (elsewhere) based on yours on your website but recent history shows us what happens when you put the protocol before the claim.

Don't get me wrong, I WANT to see you apply for the MDC. I went to a lot of effort to back you into a corner to get you to apply for the MDC. I just hate to see that effort go to waste.
 
I actually have to agree with Callahan on this one. Just leave him alone -- allow him to make the next move. He's operating on the hypothesis that we can't let it go. Continuing to argue just proves his point.
 
RoboTimbo said:
Don't get me wrong, I WANT to see you apply for the MDC. I went to a lot of effort to back you into a corner to get you to apply for the MDC. I just hate to see that effort go to waste.
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I might suggest that you look at this thread concerning my back story befor you get too full of yourself.;)
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4327114&posted=1#post4327114

But we have made some progress and possibly by friday the results will be posted.

Best Wishes,

Jim
 
daSkeptic said:
I actually have to agree with Callahan on this one. Just leave him alone -- allow him to make the next move. He's operating on the hypothesis that we can't let it go. Continuing to argue just proves his point.
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I also agree. After seeing his antics here and at the Cafe, I see no reason to pay further attention to Callahan. Exposing his lies and self-amusement takes very little effort and then routine's just boring. It was worth the time taken to show predictable and empty his claims are but I think I'd rather not assist his struggle against obscurity any further.

For any who wish to continue, simply tell Jim you are prepared to write your father's name on a piece of paper which you will place in an envelope with salt at a secure location. It's the most effective route to silence, I've found.
 
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kitakaze said:
I also agree. After seeing his antics here and at the Cafe, I see no reason to pay further attention to Callahan. Exposing his lies and self-amusement takes very little effort and then routine's just boring. It was worth the time taken to show predictable and empty his claims are but I think I'd rather not assist his struggle against obscurity any further.

For any who wish to continue, simply tell Jim you are prepared to write your father's name on a piece of paper which you will place in an envelope with salt at a secure location. It's the most effective route to silence, I've found.
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I never said your test was acceptable.

You are missing a couple of things that would motivate me to take your test.
Or make it possible.

These are things being taken into consideration for the JREF Challenge.

Best Wishes,

Jim
 
Continue arguing and this thread is likely to get shut down. I for one would really like to see Jim take the MDC, particularly if he is being as honest about his Phenomenon experiment as he says he is. But the name calling and insult slinging won't get anyone anywhere. So can we give it a rest? Please?

Chris
 
The Skeptic's Bible said:
Continue arguing and this thread is likely to get shut down. I for one would really like to see Jim take the MDC, particularly if he is being as honest about his Phenomenon experiment as he says he is. But the name calling and insult slinging won't get anyone anywhere. So can we give it a rest? Please?

Chris
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You're doing a good job, Chris. Keep him on task. Everyone wants to see him take the MDC.

Jim: I think the protocol from your website looks close. Close enough to submit to JREF for official negotiation and tweaking. Before that can occur, you have to actually apply and submit a paranormal claim. Please do so soonest.
 
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Jim Callahan said:
I never said your test was acceptable.

You are missing a couple of things that would motivate me to take your test.
Or make it possible.

These are things being taken into consideration for the JREF Challenge.

Best Wishes,

Jim
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Jim Callahan said:
No I could do it.

But why would I go to the trouble?

-Jim
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Cowing the JREF with the the same effort your Phenomenom performance took would make an internet sensation. The publicity alone for your challenge or the JREF's MDC would be amazing. But nevermind that, the important things are...

- you will not take my test.

- you would not accept the offer of Chad Sanborn who accepted your $25,000 challenge and your rules.

- If I understand correctly, you are not considering taking the MDC.

- You make a strong statement of confidence on your website to successfully pass Angel's challenge of what was in his envelope and take his money.

- Here you state you could discern the name of my father in the envelope.

- Here you have also stated:

Jim Callahan said:
I never said I could tell what was in an envelope.
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I understand now perfectly. I wish you luck in reworking your own challenge and successfully getting James Randi, the JREF, or anyone to accept a test of your design for your claims.

To everybody reading this thread,

I absolutely implore every single JREF forum member to abandon any further engagement of Jim Callahan regarding any challenges whether they be the MDC, his own challenge to the JREF, or any other challenge. Personally I would recommend not engaging him at all.

Callahan is playing with you and every time you engage him about his abilities, you further the desired effect of his game. Don't bother to express any doubt to him, to imply he can not do as he claims, that he is lying, that he is lazy... anything. Just leave him be.
It takes the most minimal of efforts for Callahan to play with you like a kitten and string. This little post:

Jim Callahan said:
No I could do it.

But why would I go to the trouble?

-Jim
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...was designed to ensure your continued involvement in his game with zero effort by him. He writes two little sentences to guarantee that you will keep jumping at the string he's dangling.

Don't do it. Don't be a sucker. Don't let Jim Callahan make a pony of the JREF.

One single swipe at his string and you are a pony.

daSkeptic is right, pantaz is right, don't feed the beast. Starve it out.


RoboTimbo, Azrael 5, Paul, skeen, Pogo, jimtron, Jeff Corey, Gord_In_Toronto, Bob Klase, Mostly Harmless , Arus 808, myself, and any other JREF member who has fed the beast.... Starve it out!

If you see someone post and engage Callahan, feeding the beast, just write "don't feed the beast, don't make a pony of the JREF," and link to this post.
 
kitakaze said:
If you see someone post and engage Callahan, feeding the beast, just write "don't feed the beast, don't make a pony of the JREF," and link to this post.
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Posting as mod:
Please don't.
Stay on topic, and don't get personal with other members - if of course you choose to engage in this thread at all.

If you don't want to 'feed' another member's thread, then don't, but please don't dictate to others who may have a different perspective.

(The thread has gone from this close | | to being closed, to this close ||, and I'm inclined to think it will be better closed, and Jim can open a new thread in the MDC section to discuss protocol if/when he engages with the JREF on the challenge. However, I see that some people have raised valid posts and are waiting for responses. Don't deprive others because of your own opinions of a member.

ETA: Any issues with this post should be taken up in Forum Mgt, and not derail this thread further.)
 
Chillzero, I just posted to another related thread before I saw this. I will take it up in Forum Mgt.

ETA: Chillzero, is correct. I don't mean to dictate what people should or shouldn't do. It was my suggestion based on a strong feeling. My apologies for the disruption. Chill is quite correct in stating:

Don't deprive others because of your own opinions of a member.
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Jim Callahan said:
No I could do it.

But why would I go to the trouble?

-Jim
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Because $1 million dollars could buy you more attention then you'll get here. Not to mention proving Randi wrong would actually get people to take you seriously.

The ball's in your court. Randi has $1 million. You say you can do it.
 
Questioninggeller, that "I can do it" is not in reference to the MDC. I asked Callahan sometime ago if he would submit to independant testing and he invited me to come up with a test. I came up with having him tell me the name of my father as written on a piece of paper to be enclosed in an envelope with salt at a secure location.

The idea apparently frightened him so badly that he went completely silent and ignored repeated requests for response though he still continued to post. This was the same outcome as in 2005 when a man named Chad Sanborn took up one of Callahan's $25,000 guarantees and offered $25,000 cash of his own money to test Callahan according to Callahan's own rules.

If you see my post just a couple above you will see that Callhan has made conflicting statements about whether or not he would be able to discern the contents of an envelope. What is most important IMO is that the "I could do it" is a short statement that is designed to elicit specific and repeated responses from skeptics. Callahan never had any interest in submitting to the MDC or the test that Sanborn or I have proposed. What he is doing is using this thread and the JREF as a platform for his own amusement and self-promotion. I suggest you have a look at the thread "Subliminal Compliance" to get a better understanding from Callahan's own words as to what he's up to.

It is the opinion of some others and myself that to respond to Callhan's bait setting responses is to feed into his manipulation. It is my personal opinion that Callahan's narcissistic games are an attempt to pimp the JREF and make suckers of its members.

That is simply my opinion. For those who wish to engage Callahan on these and other matters, there may well be reason to do so. There are a number of questions from various members that Callahan has yet to answer. Indeed he either evades answer by erroneously brushing them off as off-topic (any questions regarding Callahan's claims are on-topic) or responds while deliberately not answering the question put to him. These, of course, are maneuvers all calculated to ensure further involvement by JREF members in his ego-stroking attempts at manipulation.

I may be wrong and it is for each person to decide for themselves. I believe it is made abundantly clear Callahan has no intention of accepting the MDC or any other test that he himself has not devised.
 
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kitakaze said:
Questioninggeller, that "I can do it" is not in reference to the MDC.
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Understood. If he can "do it" (tell the name) then he can demonstrate a paranormal ability. Then if he can "go through the trouble" of demonstrating it for anyone he can also win the million dollar challenge.

One million dollars seems like a very good reason for "going through the trouble" of telling us what's in an envelope.
 
kitakaze,I for one am fully aware of Callahan's tactics,but I don't mind because it is all he has.
Who outside the internet cares much about him? I have yet to find much in the way of favourable reporting of him.Since Phenomenon what has he done? Zilch.
If your whole career is based on eliciting responses on message boards,it doesn't say much for your talent.Anyone can be a troll.

That is all Jim Callahan and Dave Koenig are.Illiterate ones at that;let them have their "fun" then they can go back to obscurity.
What stands tall is the fact the JREF saw Dave for what he is and scared Jim Callahan away from the off.
 
Azrael 5 said:
kitakaze,I for one am fully aware of Callahan's tactics,but I don't mind because it is all he has.
Who outside the internet cares much about him? I have yet to find much in the way of favourable reporting of him.Since Phenomenon what has he done? Zilch.
If your whole career is based on eliciting responses on message boards,it doesn't say much for your talent.Anyone can be a troll.

That is all Jim Callahan and Dave Koenig are.Illiterate ones at that;let them have their "fun" then they can go back to obscurity.
What stands tall is the fact the JREF saw Dave for what he is and scared Jim Callahan away from the off.
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Very good point, Azrael. I also have yet to find any real favourable reporting in any type of search that the average person would do. His struggle for relevance is a spectacle almost entirely for the pleasure of those who see it as it is.
 
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