Subliminal Compliance (a.k.a. Psychological Manipulation)

[Jeff Corey]

I think that when anyone states that "subliminal" persuasion" or 'memetics" can be used to control peoples' behavior, they are using a technique that historically been called lying, conning, scamming or frottage to attempt to control behavior.

 

[Mercutio]

I think that when anyone states that "subliminal" persuasion" or 'memetics" can be used to control peoples' behavior, they are using a technique that historically been called lying, conning, scamming or frottage to attempt to control behavior.

frottage frot·tage (frô-täzh')
n.

Massage; rubbing.
The act of rubbing against the body of another person, as in a crowd, to attain sexual gratification.

Damn... so... if you can't control the big head, control the little one?

 

[Jeff Corey]

You frotteur, you. You know it rubs me the wrong way!

 

[Jim Callahan]

I would say that trolling is but one form of psychological manipulation.

Yes but not one of the better ones.

No long term value in it really.

Best Wishes,

jim

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

It's fun participating in a JREF thread from the safe side beside the line of fire. (I'm disguised as a skeptic, hope no one will recognize me.) Phew, maybe I can find a safe retreat here from my scary thread.

Jim, nice to meet a fellow claimant. Maybe I can participate in establishing a method of testing your paranormal claim? If we could all here stop talking about nonsense since it leads nowhere (and I speak from several pages of experience), and focus on progress. Perhaps, as among other things a claimant, I can approach your investigation from a different and thus valuable perspective.

Allow me some time to read up on your progress.

Senex:

Take UncaYimmy (please! ) for example. Did anyone fall for his subliminal trick? VisionFromFeeling will only have to meet him in a supermarket and then she can let the rest of us know the truth.

Alright you got it!
Senex, will you be there too?

 

[Jeff Corey]

Oh, do tell us about those quantum vibrations you sense. Jim will like it, too.
Are those C or D batteries?

 

[JFrankA]

I do mentalism and stage hypnosis on the side. I know a few of Derren Brown's secrets, though I could never pull it off like he can.

To do these psychological tricks, there are several things that must be in place. For instance, you have to control the environment you are in, (i.e., a stage setting where your presence is more important than other people), you pick the volunteer, and you have to be 'on' and alert to the body language of everyone around you, and other factors...

It's a performance, pure and simple. In real life, I don't think a person can do that 24/7. It's too difficult with too many uncontrollable things going on, and sometimes one little distraction can blow the whole psychological trick.

Even Derren Brown himself said that he can't do it 24/7. He can do it in a performance easily, but when real life is occurring, he can't keep it going.

Derren is a great example of a magician, for lack of a better word, using psychological tricks. The book to read is "Tricks of the Mind", where he explains the basics of what he does. There is no woo at all in the book, and in fact, he is a skeptic too.

As to Jim Callahan, I've never liked him. He keeps claiming he has supernatural powers then claims he doesn't then challenges people who say he doesn't have powers. I deal with him by ignoring him completely.

 

[Jim Callahan]

I do mentalism and stage hypnosis on the side. I know a few of Derren Brown's secrets, though I could never pull it off like he can.

To do these psychological tricks, there are several things that must be in place. For instance, you have to control the environment you are in, (i.e., a stage setting where your presence is more important than other people), you pick the volunteer, and you have to be 'on' and alert to the body language of everyone around you, and other factors...

It's a performance, pure and simple. In real life, I don't think a person can do that 24/7. It's too difficult with too many uncontrollable things going on, and sometimes one little distraction can blow the whole psychological trick.

Even Derren Brown himself said that he can't do it 24/7. He can do it in a performance easily, but when real life is occurring, he can't keep it going.

Derren is a great example of a magician, for lack of a better word, using psychological tricks. The book to read is "Tricks of the Mind", where he explains the basics of what he does. There is no woo at all in the book, and in fact, he is a skeptic too.

As to Jim Callahan, I've never liked him. He keeps claiming he has supernatural powers then claims he doesn't then challenges people who say he doesn't have powers. I deal with him by ignoring him completely.

You sure know about me for ignoring me completely.

That says two definite things about you.

You are compelled to know about me but you feel guilty about it.

Thanks,

Jim

 

[not daSkeptic]

Another part of this which can be discussed is how various people react once the truth is known to them. There are those, for instance, who refuse to accept it. They've bought into the lie so deeply that they cannot escape. Perhaps these individuals have some psychological need for the fantasy. Perhaps it's as simple as them feeling too ashamed to admit they were so easily fooled. It's an interesting phenomenon nonetheless -- one which, I am sad to say, does not appear to be absent from these forums.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Did anyone fall for his subliminal trick? VisionFromFeeling will only have to meet him in a supermarket and then she can let the rest of us know the truth.

Sorry, we need something that is not visible to the casual observer! Seriously, though, on my wedding night my bride said, "Look! A penis! Only smaller..." Later, my elder son said, "Does that come in an adult size?"

Thanks! I'll be here all week.

But, actually serious this time: Last week I stumbled across some YouTube video of a guy explaining how to manipulate the opposite sex (how to pick up girls). His advice went something like this:

Suppose you are offering a lady friend some ice cream. You might say, "What would you like? Me, I like chocolate." This, he claims, is a subliminal message. Allow me to illustrate:
What would you like? Me, I like chocolate.

See? You're giving her the message, "you like me." Say things like this enough and next thing you know you're making hot monkey love in the parking lot.

 

[tesscaline]

But, actually serious this time: Last week I stumbled across some YouTube video of a guy explaining how to manipulate the opposite sex (how to pick up girls). His advice went something like this:

Suppose you are offering a lady friend some ice cream. You might say, "What would you like? Me, I like chocolate." This, he claims, is a subliminal message. Allow me to illustrate:
What would you like? Me, I like chocolate.

See? You're giving her the message, "you like me." Say things like this enough and next thing you know you're making hot monkey love in the parking lot.

I've had people try stuff like that on me. Instead of making me like them, it creeped me out and I never wanted to talk to them. All the other women I know that have had similar attempted on them had the same reaction...

 

[arthwollipot]

I've had people try stuff like that on me. Instead of making me like them, it creeped me out and I never wanted to talk to them. All the other women I know that have had similar attempted on them had the same reaction...

It sure sounds like it. Such techniques, if it's possible for them to work at all, would need to be extremely subtle - almost subliminal.

 

[Uncayimmy]

I've had people try stuff like that on me. Instead of making me like them, it creeped me out and I never wanted to talk to them. All the other women I know that have had similar attempted on them had the same reaction...

Really? Are you sure it's not a case of hearing what you want? Me? I thought it was a joke. I would think that stuff would make you sleep. With me it probably would.

However, there are other point points you should raise. Your shirt, for example, could be sending a subliminal message. What do you think? I'm hot and cold about that possibility. Then again, a woman assuming that I think with my penis brings pleasure to her, so what about that? Maybe I am what you make me. Hard to believe, I know.

 

[arthwollipot]

I saw what you did just there.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

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I know a few of Derren Brown's secrets, though I could never pull it off like he can.

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Even Derren Brown himself said that he can't do it 24/7. He can do it in a performance easily, but when real life is occurring, he can't keep it going.

<snip>

Filth!

 

[tesscaline]

Really? Are you sure it's not a case of hearing what you want? Me? I thought it was a joke. I would think that stuff would make you sleep. With me it probably would.

It starts as a joke, and then some moron takes it seriously and actually uses it to try and pick up chicks. Sad I tell you, so so sad.

However, there are other point points you should raise. Your shirt, for example, could be sending a subliminal message. What do you think? I'm hot and cold about that possibility. Then again, a woman assuming that I think with my penis brings pleasure to her, so what about that? Maybe I am what you make me. Hard to believe, I know.

ROFL

Cute =P

 

[JFrankA]

Filth!

Shhh!!!! Ivor!!!! Don't tell everyone! Sheesh, it's supposed to be subliminal!

 

[Legend]

I'm currently into mentalism after previously studying hypnosis. Agreeing with JFrankA, things like this are very hard to do.

Anchoring, Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), pattern interruption and other similar things are methods that he uses. It takes a crapload of practise and dedication and you're still very far from a consistent amount of successful demonstrations.

Some work better than others also, like the Russian Gypsy Scam.

Alex.

 

[Senex]

Jim, nice to meet a fellow claimant. Maybe I can participate in establishing a method of testing your paranormal claim? If we could all here stop talking about nonsense since it leads nowhere (and I speak from several pages of experience), and focus on progress. Perhaps, as among other things a claimant, I can approach your investigation from a different and thus valuable perspective.

Allow me some time to read up on your progress.

Jim's dead buddy who tells Jim which toy among many possible toy choices was chosen does not like scrutiny. Jim will not welcome your help.

Senex:
Alright you got it!
Senex, will you be there too?

I sure will. Now remember this site is about blowing up myths. Scientific studies have shown the smaller guy grows disproportionate to the larger guy when excited. I'm just saying

Legend:I'm currently into mentalism after previously studying hypnosis. Agreeing with JFrankA, things like this are very hard to do.

Anchoring, Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), pattern interruption and other similar things are methods that he uses. It takes a crapload of practise and dedication and you're still very far from a consistent amount of successful demonstrations.

Some work better than others also, like the Russian Gypsy Scam.

Alex

Alex, my young friend from Australia, trust me (never trust anyone you meet on the Internet so this is an act of faith) NLP is woo. Your time would be better spent practicing a standard pass with cards than learning NLP. You used the word "anchoring," that is a word Derren (spelled it right) Brown uses for misdirection - not something a smart young fellow like you should be fooled into spending time researching. NLP is woo. NLP is woo. NLP is woo. (Make it your woo mantra).

 

[Legend]

I am under your control. NLP is woo.

Seriously though, I've been thoroughly skeptical of NLP. I'm learning about it, similar to if I was going to learn about how to give a psychic reading.

I'm learning because of interest, and nothing else.

Directed to anchoring: this method has worked, or at least appears to have worked previously, but, of course, I'm still undecided, as it's something that I haven't researched fully.

When I said this:

It takes a crapload of practise and dedication and you're still very far from a consistent amount of successful demonstrations.

I was, referring to subliminal messaging.

When I said this:

Anchoring, Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP), pattern interruption and other similar things are methods that he uses.

I didn't mean to arouse the assumption (which is a perfectly logical one to make judging by the way that sentence was written, upon review) that I believe in the ability of NLP. I simply meant that they were his methods, by claim, not by legitimacy.

Completely understand you, my fauly for not thinking over my wording.

Still much to learn about this NLP though...

Alex.