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How does the current financial crisis affect the Challenge funds?

The Professor said:
I'm glad to see that other members of the JREF Forum are beginning to see the truth or at least question this situation.
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If you are referring to my post (#3), then I suggest you reread what I wrote. My questioning of the situation was predicated upon a condition, the state of which is not known to me.
 
Foolmewunz said:
And what did the Foundation say when you enquired?
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I have not inquired nor do I plan to do so. I have no interest in whether the MDC is funded or not. I simply have a passing curiosity as to why, if more recent data is available, it has not been published.
 
So let me get this straight.... The Skeptics here will still call this the Million Dollar Challenge even though the JREF has not renewed the PIE CHART since August of LAST YEAR?

You will all follow so obediently and never question anything? ( daSkeptic and myself excluded)
Is that open or closed minded of you?
I have contacted the JREF MANY times and even called RANDI HIMSELF ... and still no new information.

Does it take so long to Cook The Books? :)
 
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The Professor said:
So let me get this straight.... The Skeptics here will still call this the Million Dollar Challenge even though the JREF has not renewed the PIE CHART since August of LAST YEAR?

You will all follow so obediently and never question anything? ( daSkeptic excluded)
Is that open or closed minded of you?
I have contacted the JREF MANY times and even called RANDI HIMSELF ... and still no new information.

Does it take so long to Cook The Books? :)
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Edited to remove personal insult. Please refrain from this kind of post, even if your intent was to be humorous.
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So the monthly update is no more? ... How about the Quarterly update? ... Not that either? .... How about a YEARLY UPDATE for 2009? ... maybe later? :)
How about your claim to give me a response? NOTHING.

The JREF HAS the DATA (GS has contacted ALL of their clients due to the situation they are currently in, and if you don't believe me please contact them yourself ) ... They are just NOT POSTING IT!
 
The Professor said:
The JREF HAS the DATA (GS has contacted ALL of their clients due to the situation they are currently in, and if you don't believe me please contact them yourself ) ... They are just NOT POSTING IT!
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How do you know JREF has the data? Are you privy to the details of their communications with Goldman Sachs?
 
TP, what makes you think that having no real interest in where the MDC money is and how much it amounts to exactly at the moment, has anything to do with being closed-minded or obedient? It is not my money, nor is it or will it likely ever be yours, so why are you so worked up about it?
Femke
 
Dave: I have no idea what's going on with the MDC funds. But I have a suggestion. If you know anyone who has a testable paranormal ability (such as remote viewing, dowsing, distinguishing a homeopathic remedy from water, etc--abilities where mutually agreed protocols have been established here in the past), have them apply and take the challenge. When they win, they'll either get a million bucks, or if there's less than a million, you guys could go to the media and report that the Million Dollar Challenge doesn't really pay a million. Either way, you win.

I don't want to be negative about believers in the paranormal--I want to see them tested or demonstrated (demonstrated in a way that rules out trickery). Please, if you know anyone with testable claims, have them apply, or demonstrate their ability to the world. The demonstrations from you and Jim may or may not be good entertainment, but appear to be mentalism effects (ie, magic tricks), like what Uri Geller does (obviously there are well known mentalism techniques for spoon bending and making compasses move), and even Geller has recently admitted to not having paranormal powers.

There have been many protocols that were approved by JREF representatives, in case anyone thinks that it's impossible to come up with a suitable protocol.
 
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The Professor said:
So the monthly update is no more? ... How about the Quarterly update? ... Not that either? .... How about a YEARLY UPDATE for 2009? ... maybe later? :)
How about your claim to give me a response? NOTHING.

The JREF HAS the DATA (GS has contacted ALL of their clients due to the situation they are currently in, and if you don't believe me please contact them yourself ) ... They are just NOT POSTING IT!
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Have you asked them in writing?And was their reply?
 
The Professor said:
So the monthly update is no more? ... How about the Quarterly update? ... Not that either? .... How about a YEARLY UPDATE for 2009? ... maybe later? :)
How about your claim to give me a response? NOTHING.

The JREF HAS the DATA (GS has contacted ALL of their clients due to the situation they are currently in, and if you don't believe me please contact them yourself ) ... They are just NOT POSTING IT!
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Here's an idea - and I'm not being sarcastic: Why don't you start a poll in "Forum Community"? Give at least two sensible options and don't forget to include a Planet X option. You should make it an open poll, too.

By the way, I would vote for the JREF to release a new statement asap.
 
I did

Requested the information today. Will advise as to results.


Per your FAQ [ challenge-faq.html ]

"Anyone can verify that the money exists by requesting the information in writing from the JREF."

Is email considered "in writing"? If so, please send me the latest information. If not, please send me the physical address I should address a
letter to.

Thanks for your help,
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Dave maybe you should concentrate your efforts on getting counselling for the ufo geek buddy of yours? You know the one who claims to record dead people from plane crashes? Been hanging with you too much I fear.
Oh an how is the dead NASA dude?

On topic,I dont care if the million is there ,Im not applicant-neither are you thankfully.It clearly states in challenge faq all you need to know.Im betting you havent requested in writing a statement like it says.
 
alfaniner said:
Seeing as the Challenge funds are currently in negotiable bonds at Goldman-Sachs, and hearing the news about all the bank buyouts, what does this mean for the million dollars? I know the Challenge will be retired soon, but I was wondering what would happen if the current value of the bonds falls below the million dollar level.
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Well, now it's almost four months ( Three months and 12 days) since another member of the JREF Forum asked this question and the JREF has dodged answering it for the entire time ... Even though I spoke with Randi himself and requested current information Months Ago!

Goldman Sacks has asked for Bailout Money and everyone else's bonds have taken a hit too.

Why the silence!!!!!
 
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drkitten said:
Because unfounded rants such as yours aren't worth the cost of postage to respond to.

... even by Email.
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Why no Monthly update?
No Quarterly update?
No Requested update?

I guess we are now waiting for a YEARLY UPDATE :)
It's been
SEPTEMBER (No Update)
OCTOBER (No Update)
NOVEMBER (No Update)
DECEMBER (No Update)

Well now it's ........
JANUARY :)

The JREF says all you have to do is ask and they'll disclose the facts .... Well that's not quite the case here now is it?
 
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Regarding my request for the Goldman Sachs information. Received an email from Alison Smith. It unfortunately points me to the August 31, 2008 information.
 
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