Iraqi Journalist Throws Shoes At Bush..Misses

[Dr Adequate]

How did this thread become another damn thread about Jews?

Some guy threw a shoe at Bush, he missed, it was kinda funny.

I know that "Jew" and "shoe" sound kind of the same, but nonetheless ...

I guess I'd have to read through the thread to find the segue, except that I have better things to do, such as banging my head against my desk.

 

[Texas]

Iraqi Journalist Throws Shoes At Bush..Misses

And lives to tell the world about it. Ain't freedom great?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Supporting the illegal occupation of Jerusulam is just as bad though.

Except that it isn't "illegal". Jews lived in Jerusalem forever... until 1948, that is, when the Jordanian Legion conquered the old city of Jerusalem... and naturally ethnically cleansed every single Jew there and made it Judenrein.

And that, folks, is how Jerusalem became "Arab East Jerusalem" which is "illegally occupied" by Jews -- since the time, 19 years laters, the Jordanian legion tried to finish the job it started in 1948 and push the Jews into the sea.

But I keep forgetting that Arab ethnic cleansing is just fine.

You are slacking Skeptic. Only four times in that post.

Those of us who are nto obsessed by 'Jews' realise it's Israle who is illegally occupying Jeruslam, not 'Jews'.

Nothing wrong with 'Jews' living in Jerusalem at all. Like you say Jews have lived in Jerusalem for thousands of years.

That doesn't give Israel exclusive right to occupy Jerusalem and claim it as it's capitol though.

Jerusalem is an international city. Israel has illegally and immorally occupied it.

And only four times. Are you tired? You didn't even say "Anti-Semitic". Come on Skeptic, you can do better than that!!

 

[Toke]

Strange.

When my grandfather was young, it was the fact that there wasn't an Israel which, people very honestly and firmly told him, was giving Jews a bad name -- proving that Jews are parasites that must feed off a "host" nation, instead of surviving on their own in their own country, like any normal people would.

Now, it is the fact that there is an Israel which, people very honestly and firmly tell me, is giving Jews a bad name -- proving that the Jews are evil occupiers who must destroy other people with the phony-baloney excuse that they want their own country, instead of being loyal citizens of the European countries they came from, like any normal people would.

I do wish you folks would make up your mind.

My bolding.
Some would say that those other people were living there first, and that waving a an old book around does not change the rightfull ownership of land.
(try show up in denmark saying "god gave us this land, its ours")

Still, jews seem to be unpopular with or without country.

Yes strange, have you wondered why?

 

[Texas]

Still, jews seem to be unpopular with or without country.

Yes strange, have you wondered why?

That is an amazing statement.

 

[Toke]

have you wondered why?

What is the israely equivalent of "because we are free"?

 

[chillzero]

Several posts moved to AAH for bickering. Keep on topic, and address the topic, not personal issues with each other. Keep it civil, please.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[Skeptic]

Still, jews seem to be unpopular with or without country.

Yes strange, have you wondered why?

Why, Mr. David Irving! What a surprise! I didn't know you post on the JREF forum!

(See: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/804622.html )

Too bad for the usual token "I'm not an antisemite, I'm just an anti-Zionist" claim, though.

This claim is usually -- I emphasize NOT always -- shown to be false, sooner or later, when the "anti-Zionist" starts ranting about how if everybody hates the Jews it's all their fault, or how the Jews control the world (or at least the USA) and are perverting its policy for their own nefarious - usually monetary - ends.

But only rarely is the exposure so quick.

 

[Cicero]

How did this thread become another damn thread about Jews?

Simple. TFT couldn't keep the topic Kosher.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4298384#post4298384

 

[Toke]

Why, Mr. David Irving! What a surprise! I didn't know you post on the JREF forum!

(See: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/804622.html )

Too bad for the usual token "I'm not an antisemite, I'm just an anti-Zionist" claim, though.

This claim is usually -- I emphasize NOT always -- shown to be false, sooner or later, when the "anti-Zionist" starts ranting about how if everybody hates the Jews it's all their fault, or how the Jews control the world (or at least the USA) and are perverting its policy for their own nefarious - usually monetary - ends.
My bolding

But only rarely is the exposure so quick.

I can´t tell if you are talking from bad experince or have a bad day, but your post come across as simpleton argumentation.

Do you call holocaust denier and evil antisemite every time somebody critice israel? (how do you get along with liberal israelis?)

have you wondered why?

The question may sound nasty, but try take it at face value.

My guesses are:
Religius/cultural intolerance, need of a scapegoat, and more recently the mess in israel, which reflects badly on both jews and muslims.

Try contact some iranian mulla or maybe sunniman, I am sure you could have a fruitless argument.

Did you read the bolding or is it copy paste from elsewhere?

 

[Skeptic]

I can´t tell if you are talking from bad experince or have a bad day, but your post come across as simpleton argumentation.

Do you call holocaust denier and evil antisemite every time somebody critice israel?

No, I call those who use the "if the Jews are hated, it must be their fault" age-old blame-the-victim antisemitic argument antisemites. Two persons who presented this argument are (a) you, and (b) David Irving, one of the world's most notorious Jew-haters.

This argument has little or nothing to do with criticism of Israel. It was used by antisemites from time immemorial, long before Israel's existence. It will probably be used by antisemites as long as Jews exist, whether or not Israel does.

Indeed, you yourself, in emphasizing that the Jews are hated "with or without a state", made quite clear that you do not think it is because of Israel that the Jews are hated, but that it is something in their very Jewishness that is to blame.

 

[Toke]

When my grandfather was young, it was the fact that there wasn't an Israel which, people very honestly and firmly told him, was giving Jews a bad name -- proving that Jews are parasites that must feed off a "host" nation, instead of surviving on their own in their own country, like any normal people would.

Now, it is the fact that there is an Israel which, people very honestly and firmly tell me, is giving Jews a bad name -- proving that the Jews are evil occupiers who must destroy other people with the phony-baloney excuse that they want their own country, instead of being loyal citizens of the European countries they came from, like any normal people would.

Indeed, you yourself, in emphasizing that the Jews are hated "with or without a state", made quite clear that you do not think it is because of Israel that the Jews are hated, but that it is something in their very Jewishness that is to blame.

Still, jews seem to be unpopular with or without country.

Post #324

My guesses are:
Religius/cultural intolerance, need of a scapegoat, and more recently the mess in israel, which reflects badly on both jews and muslims

You are the one with the with or without a state.

My guesses are:
Religius/cultural intolerance, need of a scapegoat, and more recently the mess in israel, which reflects badly on both jews and muslims.[/QUOTE
As for the wonder why, I did make some sugestions that are more constructive that screaming evil antisemite.

Guess you don´t agree that Israel is giving jews a bad name? (post 320)

 

[Skeptic]

As for the wonder why, I did make some sugestions that are more constructive that screaming evil antisemite.

No, no, no, Toke. Not in the post you asked this rhetorical question you didn't. Irving, too, uses the "I'm only ASKING!" device when it is noted that his claims are antisemitic.

 

[Toke]

So, I stepped in something you find non-pc, **** happens.

I will just have to live with being on your hate/ignore list.

No, no, no, Toke. Not in the post you asked this rhetorical question you didn't

Try this

Some would say that those other people were living there first, and that waving a an old book around does not change the rightfull ownership of land.
(try show up in denmark saying "god gave us this land, its ours")

Guess you didn´t agree.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I can´t tell if you are talking from bad experince or have a bad day, but your post come across as simpleton argumentation.

Do you call holocaust denier and evil antisemite every time somebody critice israel?

No, I call those who use the "if the Jews are hated, it must be their fault" age-old blame-the-victim antisemitic argument antisemites. Two persons who presented this argument are (a) you, and (b) David Irving, one of the world's most notorious Jew-haters.

This argument has little or nothing to do with criticism of Israel. It was used by antisemites from time immemorial, long before Israel's existence. It will probably be used by antisemites as long as Jews exist, whether or not Israel does.

Indeed, you yourself, in emphasizing that the Jews are hated "with or without a state", made quite clear that you do not think it is because of Israel that the Jews are hated, but that it is something in their very Jewishness that is to blame.

No skeptic, you DO call people who criticize Israel or the Zionist movement anti-Semites. You are obsessed with it in fact.

here's the proof ..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4298386&postcount=17

one of many.

Your posts nearly always contain the word 'Jew' numerous times, even when the thread is not about Jews.

You are the one making everything related to Israel adn/or Zionism a Jewish problem, And you are the main person who sprays anyone criticizing them an anti-Semite.

You agenda is clear.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Simple. TFT couldn't keep the topic Kosher.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4298384#post4298384

I thought you were linking to a post about Jews there for a moment. I was talking about the Zionist-Neocons. You do not have to be Jewish to be either a Zionist, a Neocon or both.

But then it's no surprise that the ADL Police are trying to make it a 'Jewish Problem' again.

But Cicero, you've a long long way to go before you become an ADL Grandmaster like Skeptic.

 

[Toke]

So I am not the only one that gets skeptic´s anti-semite treatment.

I got david irving, beat you TFT.

My original point were why an pilgrimage to aipac were a neccecary element of an american election, it is supposed to be an domestic event.

Can that be explained without jews/israelis having an unusual influence in the usa?

Have anyone accused exilecubans of running us policy on cuba?
Does this make me an evil anti-cuban?

Do I think skeptics anti-semite rants is a cheap stunt?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

So I am not the only one that gets skeptic´s anti-semite treatment.

I got david irving, beat you TFT.

Damn. I wanted a David Irving But I got a whole long list of 'Anti-Semite' though.

I got used to Skeptic and his band of ADL Police Cadets crying Anti-Semite.

It's almost a daily occurrence and is laughable.

I think most of the foot soldiers do it as some kind of troll insult game. But I think Skeptic actually means it and is truly deluded. He's paranoid the whole world is out to kill all Jews.

My original point were why an pilgrimage to aipac were a neccecary element of an american election, it is supposed to be an domestic event.

Can that be explained without jews/israelis having an unusual influence in the usa?

It's not a 'Jew' thing IMO. It's the Zionist Movement that has undue influence in the USA and other countries.

It's those wishing to stifle criticism of Zionism that make is a Jewish Problem so they can shout and Scream "Anti-Semitism!"

That's why there's this big propaganda push to link Anti-Zionism with Anti-Semitism

Have anyone accused exilecubans of running us policy on cuba?
Does this make me an evil anti-cuban?

Do I think skeptics anti-semite rants is a cheap stunt?

I think he's obsessed.

 

[Toke]

We had on israel/palestine in highschool history.
We concluded that there were plenty of arguments, but the israeli had the most guns.

ADL?

There were a tread on the jew/israeli definition I did not follow it.
Guess it can get complicated, and used as a pc minefield.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

ADL?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

I never read the wiki article on the ADL before, so I was pleased to see these quotes. Which are spot on...

Noam Chomsky ...

The ADL has virtually abandoned its earlier role as a civil rights organization, becoming 'one of the main pillars' of Israeli propaganda in the U.S., as the Israeli press casually describes it, engaged in surveillance, blacklisting, compilation of FBI-style files circulated to adherents for the purpose of defamation, angry public responses to criticsm of Israeli actions, and so on. These efforts, buttressed by insinuations of anti-Semitism or direct accusations, are intended to deflect or undermine opposition to Israeli policies, including Israel's refusal, with U.S. support, to move towards a general political settlement.


Michael Lerner, a left-wing rabbi:

The ADL lost most of it credibility in my eyes as a civil rights organization when it began to identify criticisms of Israel with anti-Semitism, still more when it failed to defend me when I was receiving threats to my life from right-wing Jewish groups because of my critique of Israeli policy toward Palestinians (it said that these were not threats that came from my being Jewish, so therefore they were not within their area of concern).