Police look into psychic "tips" about Caylee Anthony

[dudalb]

In other threads I have also made fun of the ghoul Nancy Grace who has made her living of this case for the past six months and, as best I can determine, added nothing to the solution what-so-ever

No wonder she was basically forced out of her job as a Public Prosecutor.
I totally share your dislike for Grace.

 

[dudalb]

Sadly, it appears as if the remains found are Caylee's. All of the forensics tests made so far appear to be positive, and they are probably just waiting for the DNA tests to be completed to make a final announcement.

 

[Ernie M]

If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

Near <> in

So sorry.

Picky, picky, picky!

After reading the article mentioned above, my impression is Caylee's remains were found by the meter reader AFTER the water receded. This would mean that the remains were found not submerged in water, but near water. But even an indoor plumbing line could be considered "near" as well. Or, it could have been a humid day, meaning there was water in the air... It's all in the interpretation.

Gord_in_Toronto remains 2 for 2 in predictions, or 100% accurate.
Totally psychic ;-)

 

[LibraryLady]

[derail]

Nancy Grace is a monster and a blot upon humanity. I can honestly say that although there are very few people in the world that I honestly hate and loathe, she's one of them.

[/derail]

 

[desertgal]

Picky, picky, picky!

After reading the article mentioned above, my impression is Caylee's remains were found by the meter reader AFTER the water receded. This would mean that the remains were found not submerged in water, but near water. But even an indoor plumbing line could be considered "near" as well. Or, it could have been a humid day, meaning there was water in the air... It's all in the interpretation.

Gord_in_Toronto remains 2 for 2 in predictions, or 100% accurate.
Totally psychic ;-)

Or, of course, since her body was probably in or very near the water that has since receded, any psychic could say that their visualization occurred while the water was still there.

"I said it way back in September! I told the cops she was near water! If only they had listened..."

 

[rjh01]

Oh when Gord_in_Toronto made the prediction when the body was in water. So you agree it was a miss then?

 

[fuelair]

If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

Near <> in

So sorry.

Not for psychic fandom it won't!!!

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Oh when Gord_in_Toronto made the prediction when the body was in water. So you agree it was a miss then?

Oh noes! Someone has found me out. But wait. The Body was in a Plastic Bag. Undoubtedly the bag was sealed. So the body was not in the water but was within a couple of microns of the water. You can't get much nearer than that!

I have been following the "predictions" of "psychics" for decades. You want more waffling? I have learned metric tonnes of excuses.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

[derail]

Nancy Grace is a monster and a blot upon humanity. I can honestly say that although there are very few people in the world that I honestly hate and loathe, she's one of them.

[/derail]

I don't dislike her per se, but the obsession she manages to attach to single missing white girls does boggle the mind. You'd think only one child in the whole country was missing since the Anthony case came to Nancy's attention. And prior to that Natalie Holloway was the only teen who ever disappeared while traveling out of the country.

For the record, the U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.(2002 report)

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If the body was found in water any claim that the person would be found near water must count as a miss.

Near <> in

So sorry.

No no.... the body was only found after the water receded. That would make it near but not in the water.


Never mind, I see this observation was already noted.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Kimmie Rose Zapf was on MyFoxDetroit claiming she talked the missing/dead girl Caylee Anthony and is sending a message to her mother Casey Anthony. Here is the full transcript from above:

My name is Caylee, and I need you to help find me so my grandma won’t be worried, so she won’t be sad anymore. I know the person that did this to me didn’t mean to, and I forgive them. I know they wouldn’t have hurt me like that on purpose. Tell my mommy I’m in Heaven and God loves her very much. And so does he love Grandma and Pop. Tell her that she can smile, and know that I’m ok. Pop is strict but he loves you and sometimes he makes you feel sad, but he wanted you to do good and to be ok. And that made you feel not good enough, and I know it hurts mommy, but inside, you are good. If you want to tell Tony that you want to be with him, tell him not to make you cry, and not to feel sad. But please don’t make him feel sad back either. I know the person that did this to me was only trying to find a safe place for me. A place for me to go.

And someone who would love me, to take care of me. Please just tell everyone, talk to people and they’ll understand. I know you understand mommy, cause you do love me. Nobody can believe that you don’t love me. I had to go to sleep mommy and a lady from God came to get me. It was so hot, I was so hot where I was, when I was in a car, but I went to sleep, but I’m safe. Mommy, it’s ok to talk to them. They’re not gonna be mad. I promise. Tell them about the man who hid (hit?) me. Mommy, tell them about the man who hit me, and let everyone be at peace it’s ok. To my grandma I want to say, you love your kid so much and thank you for the teddy bear you gave me. Mommy promise me you won’t cry. Be happy, not trapped. And don’t try so hard for someone to love you. Don’t push them away either and don’t cry about not being loved by Tony. This was all an accident. Nobody meant for this to happen. The police need to talk to the man at the car part store who knows where I am. Pleaes mommy, it’s okay. You’re not bad. You’re just confused and scared. You lost your baby it’s gonna get better. I promise it will be ok. I love you.

According to sources:

Police sources said the skull, covered with cloth and found inside a garbage bag, still had duct tape attached to the mouth.

We'll have to get more facts on this, but if Kimmie Rose Zapf is wrong then she would appear to be a horrible, attention yearning person.

 

[desertgal]

Kimmie Rose Zapf was on MyFoxDetroit claiming she talked the missing/dead girl Caylee Anthony and is sending a message to her mother Casey Anthony. Here is the full transcript from above:

Pretty articulate for a three year old.

We'll have to get more facts on this, but if Kimmie Rose Zapf is wrong then she would appear to be a horrible, attention yearning person.

CNN just reported that the man who found the remains had called the tip line three times back in August...but the specifics haven't been released. No clue how accurate that information is.

My money is on Kimmie Rose being a horrible, attention seeking person.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

<snip>

My money is on Kimmie Rose being a horrible, attention seeking person.

So Nancy Grace should have her on her show at least 50 times by the end of next week?

Takes one to know one.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Kimmie Rose Zapf was on MyFoxDetroit claiming she talked the missing/dead girl Caylee Anthony and is sending a message to her mother Casey Anthony. Here is the full transcript from above:

My name is Caylee, and I need you to help find me so my grandma won’t be worried, so she won’t be sad anymore. I know the person that did this to me didn’t mean to, and I forgive them. I know they wouldn’t have hurt me like that on purpose. Tell my mommy I’m in Heaven and God loves her very much. And so does he love Grandma and Pop. Tell her that she can smile, and know that I’m ok. Pop is strict but he loves you and sometimes he makes you feel sad, but he wanted you to do good and to be ok. And that made you feel not good enough, and I know it hurts mommy, but inside, you are good. If you want to tell Tony that you want to be with him, tell him not to make you cry, and not to feel sad. But please don’t make him feel sad back either. I know the person that did this to me was only trying to find a safe place for me. A place for me to go.

And someone who would love me, to take care of me. Please just tell everyone, talk to people and they’ll understand. I know you understand mommy, cause you do love me. Nobody can believe that you don’t love me. I had to go to sleep mommy and a lady from God came to get me. It was so hot, I was so hot where I was, when I was in a car, but I went to sleep, but I’m safe. Mommy, it’s ok to talk to them. They’re not gonna be mad. I promise. Tell them about the man who hid (hit?) me. Mommy, tell them about the man who hit me, and let everyone be at peace it’s ok. To my grandma I want to say, you love your kid so much and thank you for the teddy bear you gave me. Mommy promise me you won’t cry. Be happy, not trapped. And don’t try so hard for someone to love you. Don’t push them away either and don’t cry about not being loved by Tony. This was all an accident. Nobody meant for this to happen. The police need to talk to the man at the car part store who knows where I am. Please mommy, it’s okay. You’re not bad. You’re just confused and scared. You lost your baby it’s gonna get better. I promise it will be ok. I love you.

From the news, yesterday:

Search for Caylee turns to prosecution
CNN.com

Although Orange County, Florida, Medical Examiner Jan Garavaglia said Friday she could not determine how Caylee died, she concluded the death was a homicide.
...

Source

Thus, Kimmie Rose Zapf was wrong and told a story that has no basis in reality for an appearance on television.

 

[desertgal]

Thus, Kimmie Rose Zapf was wrong and told a story that has no basis in reality for an appearance on television.

Of course, Zapf will probably respond that "Caylee" meant that Casey had given her an accidental overdose of chloroform.

 

[alfaniner]

My sympathies for the little girl.

But now Fox "news" will have to find another missing/abducted/murdered white female story to exploit the hell out of. It's not just psychics that do it.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Gale St John

I noticed Gale St John, aka psychic The Bodyhunter™, is rightly taking a beating for her involvement.

For example:

Psychic Team Joins Search For Caylee Anthony
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 – updated: 10:37 am EDT August 12, 2008
wftv.com

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It's been 28 days since now 3-year-old Caylee Anthony was reported missing and a psychic has joined the efforts to find her.
...
Gale St. John said she had a vision of a place in Orlando near a lake, surrounded by trees and wildflowers. That is where she believes Caylee Anthony can be found, but not alive.

"It's just a feeling that we have. We don't like to talk about it because it hurts us," Gale St. John said.

St. John was the star of a planned cable TV show, The Body Hunter, and now she has a team searching an area near Lake Conway with cadaver dogs. Gale said that she was not just doing it for TV, she was also asking for donations on her website.

Since the low budget show has not debuted yet, St. John said donations were the only way she could afford to travel.

"Geez, I wish I wasn't losing my house right now. So if I'm making a profit somehow, it's not doing me a lot of good," she said.

St. John has not promised anything, but said she had something to offer.

"Can we be wrong? Yes, but we're doing more than sitting around talking about someone missing," said St. John.
...

Source

Gale St John's "feeling of an Orlando location near a lake" was wrong. Furthermore, she was using this for a TV show and for gaining donations. Plus you can see the common traits of psychic detective cold reading, "ie near water."

Not just that, but her own team says Gale is a liar and an author wants people to contact Florida Attorney General over her false charity claims. Listen to the interview with Gale's personal dog trainer, Colleen, who went on Nancy Grace with her. After all this, she again visits Florida two months later:

Psychic Gale St. John back in Orlando searching for Caylee
WOFL, FOX 35
Created: Wednesday, 19 Nov 2008, 7:59 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Another big name you may recognize is back in town searching for Caylee Anthony, Psychic detective Gale St. John from the show The Body Hunters. This is St. John's third trip to Orlando looking for the missing three year old. Their first stop of the day, Greenwood Urban Wetland outside of downtown Orlando.

Dozens of tips led St. John to this location. "We don't just do the psychic thing...we investigate the tips as well," St. John said. She says she has a vision of the specific spot she's looking for.
...
On Wednesday, St. John and her volunteers searched alongside a lake, through weeds and dried crackling leaves. And after an hour of searching there, St. John called it off. "I'm just not seeing logical here either way psychic or straight logic. There's nothing here," she said.

St. John will be in town searching through Sunday.

Source

Out of three different trips and several days, Gale St John found nothing and contributed nothing. But all the while, the media gave her publicity without skepticism as she requested donations from her website and promoted her TV show.

She clearly exploited this tragedy. Gale needs to be stopped.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Psychic Gale St. John found Caylee Anthony

Now look at what Fox 35 News (WOFL) claims:

Psychic found spot of Anthony remains months before

Last Edited: Monday, 05 Jan 2009, 7:48 PM EST
Created: Monday, 05 Jan 2009, 7:37 PM EST
By Holly Bristow
Fox 35 News (WOFL) / http://www.myfoxorlando.com

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- We told you how the man who found Caylee's remains called 911 months ago saying there was a bag in the woods. Starting on August 11th, meter reader Roy Kronk called police three times.

It turns out he wasn't the only one who had a feeling Caylee's remains were there.
...
Now a group has come forward with startling evidence that may have pointed to something at the same spot several months prior.

Psychic Gale St. John, who has the show called ‘The Body Hunter’, was drawn to the same area on the same day and has the video to prove it. A video taken by St. John's daughter on the first day their search team "The Body Hunters" began looking for Caylee Marie Anthony seems to show that St. John felt their was something odd about the location.

St. John said she was riding with her apprentice, her daughter, a searcher and two cadaver dogs doing what they call a blind drive. They started at the Anthony’s home just around the corner from the site.

"We just start fresh from the scene,” said St. John. “And just drive to a location we feel the person is in.”
...
"Alright, I've got to pull over,” she can be heard saying on the video. “Guys I'm immediately pulled here.” St. John is saying those words as she's driving up to the exact area where Caylee's remains were eventually found.

St. John says the feeling she got that day was overwhelming,

"You get very sick to your stomach,” she said. “You feel as though you've been punched in the stomach and something knocks the air out of you."

St. John let her searcher out of the car with one of their cadaver dogs. She then drove up the road to see if the feeling got stronger. It didn't so she turned back around and again in that same area.

"Something's not right here something's not right here," St. John told her daughter on the video that day.

St. John and her crew took a look around.

"The dogs showed very heavy interest back in that area," said St. John. But they didn't get far. "You can only go so far, and its water," said St. John on the video.

St. John could not get permission from the property owner to go into the woods where Caylee's remains would be found so she did not return.
...
If you want to watch the unedited Gale St. John video we have a link for you. But a warning here is some profanity. http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm

Source

Click on the link for Fox's video report.

I do note Gale St. John's claims seem to have shifted from the earlier articles posted above.

 

[Rodney]

Now look at what Fox 35 News (WOFL) claims:

It's not what Fox 35 News claims, it's what the video seems to show. What is your explanation for Gale St. John being able to pinpoint the location where the body was found?

 

[William Parcher]

It's not what Fox 35 News claims, it's what the video seems to show. What is your explanation for Gale St. John being able to pinpoint the location where the body was found?

Pinpoint is the wrong word. I watched the video. She drives past the spot where the remains were recovered, and stops some distance away. They let the dog out and walk it around (in the wrong area), then get back in the vehicle and leave.

She made videos of various locations at various times. Now she highlights the one made in the vicinity of the body and claims she found Caylee.