Gimlin's Yakima Bigfoot Party

Why don't the usual suspects put together a delegation and demand equal time in Yakima? There's gotta be somebody close enough to make the trip on the cheap.
 
Drewbot said:
Your understanding is incorrect. Some high profile speakers are paid speaker fees. Some of the standard BF speakers are paid airfare and room and board.

Perhaps Nefarious1 can clarify this, she is a JREF member, and one of the organizers of the TBRC.
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Typically we do not pay speakers to present at our conference. However, it is not unheard of for some high profile (and highly sought after) people to ask for an "honorarium" or speaking fee. The only 2 speakers who have asked for such a thing from us is Dr. Meldrum and Peter Byrne.
 
I can't help but wonder how much Meldrum or Byrne would ask for. If I were Meldrum I'd expect a good guarantee for working a Bigfoot party. Though somehow I bet he gets better paying gigs from Mormons than Bigfoot enthusiasts.
 
Let's see, I've spoken at 3 Sasquatch conferences.

1. Bellingham, WA, May 2005. Jason Valenti paid for the hotel room shared by my girlfriend Dana and me. I felt bad, because I think Jason didn't do well financially on the deal. I do not know this for a fact. For me, no speaker fee, no gas money, no food.

2. Seattle, May or June 2005. Put on by the Seattle Museum of the Mysteries. I think I got a free banquet dinner out of it. I think it was salmon... No speaker fee, no gas money. Gas money for me at the time would have been about one dollar...

3. Jefferson TX October 2005. Arrived at dinner time for a banquet dinner. The next night Craig Woolheater later took the speakers out to a "roadhouse" type place for dinner; the food was quite good, though I did see a cockroach on the floor. Witnessed Famous Bigfooter "A" take a loooooong break outside with new friend "B". Wasn't sure if they were coming back... Somehow Dana either won or was given a t-shirt that had some sort of TV theme that I was not familiar with. Dana gave it to me. Size XXXL, I think... Jebus, even then I only wore XL, though I'm now down to 180 pounds through a miracle plan of eating less and exercising more... No gas money, no speaker fee. I think Noll, Chilcutt, Meldrum, and possibly Murphy were given rooms at a bed-and-breakfast place.

Honestly, I don't think the thing with Gimlin is about money at all. I don't think there is that much money in Sasquatch conferences, period. It's all in TV.

I think it's more like a church picnic, or "retreat", with like-minded individuals coming together. I think you could even compare it to a JFEF cruise...

But what I really want to know is if Bill Munns presentation will become available to the public, either as a DVD, a fleshed-out website, or a written paper.

I've been tempted to shell out money for MK Davis' DVD on the Patterson film, but I've got a strong intuition that Munns would come up with something much more professional. I'd probably buy a Bill Munns Patterson film analysis DVD...
 
Tube:

"But what I really want to know is if Bill Munns presentation will become available to the public, either as a DVD, a fleshed-out website, or a written paper."

Nothing is actually settled in that respect.I personally am not going there to sell anything or make any money. As far as a written paper, what I am preparing for my SIGGRAPH application is probably the closest to a scientific paper on my agenda so far. If that's accepted, I'd make that presentation in August in New Orleans.

Bill
 
I think that for the speakers, the conferences are really about ego.

The speakers get the gratification of hero worship and the cult-like following that comes with the notoriety of being one of the "chosen few" or "leaders" in a fringe culture.

Some people need the adulation and attention of others to validate their own lives. Therefore, they will purposely choose fringe cultures in which to empower themselves because the majority of "believers" are pretty much unable to exercise critical thinking (i.e. easily impressed).
Plus - they have the added bonus of getting their ego (and whatever else ;)) stroked by people who absolutely need and desire their revered pronouncements.
Such a feeling of power!
Not only that - you can get it all for telling some tall tales and mumbling fact-like phrases.
Or, analyzing a copy of a copy of a grainy film and pretending your work is unbiased and scientific.:D
 
I can see it now...


Yakima Police Arrest Bob Heironimus For Pulling 352 Magnum at Bigfooter Party

Bob Heironimus entered the gathering without a ticket and was later arrested without resistance. According to witnesses, the offender walked into the venue "just like Patty the Bigfoot" during the time that Bob Gimlin was welcoming the attendees. Mr. Heironimus strolled between the podium and the crowd and turned to look at the audience. One terrified Bigfooter screamed, "Look out! He's got a 352!" Heironimus continued walking out the door without uttering a word. Authorities arrested him in the parking area soon afterwards.
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I assume this event is in close proximity to both Gimlin and Heironimus' homes. BH should swing by with a case of Bud, a pack of bratwurst, and a smile.
 
Bill Munns said:
Tube:

"But what I really want to know is if Bill Munns presentation will become available to the public, either as a DVD, a fleshed-out website, or a written paper."

Nothing is actually settled in that respect.I personally am not going there to sell anything or make any money. As far as a written paper, what I am preparing for my SIGGRAPH application is probably the closest to a scientific paper on my agenda so far. If that's accepted, I'd make that presentation in August in New Orleans.

Bill
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Just curious about how a presentation at a conference on computer graphics and interactive techniques could further the case for the validity of the PGF. What kind of presentation did you have in mind and what would the peer review take form as?
 
I want to know this:

If BobG thought the tracks would wash out, and Roger Patterson was not concerned as long as it stopped raining after a while,
John Green & BobG interview 1992 said:
Around 5:30 a.m. or so it started raining and it was just a pouring down rain. I told Roger we better get up and do something about the tracks or they’d wash out, and he said no, it would stop raining after a while.
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And it didn't stop raining
Same Interview said:
By then we decided it wasn’t going to quit raining. The little creek that was six or seven feet across was now ten or twelve feet across and four feet deep
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Why didn't the tracks washout, like these two experienced outdoorsman seemed to think they would?

Quotes from www.bigfootencounters.com
 
Kitakaze:

"What kind of presentation did you have in mind and what would the peer review take form as?"

My work involves Boujou 4.1 Matchmove softare and iWitness stereo-photogrammetry software to map the site in 3d space, solve camera positions in relation to site objects, and provide data for determining the path of the subject walking through the filmed scene. The work is also an exercise in problem solving. All have relevence to people working in various scientific and entetrtainment fields of computer graphics.

Their selection criteria and procedures are described on their website.

Bill
 
Drewbot said:
I want to know this:

If BobG thought the tracks would wash out, and Roger Patterson was not concerned as long as it stopped raining after a while,


And it didn't stop raining


Why didn't the tracks washout, like these two experienced outdoorsman seemed to think they would?

Quotes from www.bigfootencounters.com
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This doesn't really belong in the Yakima Bigfoot Party thread. If you re-post it in the PGF #2 thread, I'll respond.
 
Dfoot said:
I would ask Bob Gimlin the following:

How could he and Patterson do all the things they claimed at the times they claimed and still have time for him to drive to the post office in Eureka before it closed (Gimlin said it WAS the post office and NOT some air field as others have tried to turn it into) and then drive all the way back in time to meet Al Hodgson just after 6 pm? This is physically impossible to do.
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I hate to be a nit-picker, but he actually said they got Hodgson's around 8:30 or 9:00 pm and then went to the post office. Oddly enough, Mr. Gimlin changed the story to dropping the film off at an airport during an interview this year.

If I remember correctly, the "after 6" time quote comes from Roger Patterson by the way of Al Hodgson. You say in the same post that the pilot that DeAtley mentioned was shown not to have been in the country at the time. Would it be at all possible for you to go into more detail on that and post a scan of the documentation, like what you did with the Radford contract?
 
Bill Munns said:
My work involves Boujou 4.1 Matchmove softare and iWitness stereo-photogrammetry software to map the site in 3d space, solve camera positions in relation to site objects, and provide data for determining the path of the subject walking through the filmed scene. The work is also an exercise in problem solving. All have relevence to people working in various scientific and entetrtainment fields of computer graphics.

Their selection criteria and procedures are described on their website.
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It would appear that Dfoot wouldn't be able to participate since things like "The post office would be closed at the times Patterson and Gimlin claimed to have gone there" have little to nothing to do with computers. So unless Dfoot figured out a way to put together a quickie study involving Patty that would qualify and then threw in the sorts of details and facts surrounding the footage that your study seems to lack, I'd say that the offer to have him present against you is just a tad bit unreasonable. Perhaps if he used some type of software to compare Patty to footage/captures from this film, which features short-furred costumes with an apparently "rare" suit feature by the armpit...

In a personal aside, I'm used to mathematical evaluations regarding footage (be it still or moving) of "the unknown" getting taken apart later down the line, so I don't get very excited about such things. Some examples of this include the Gulf Breeze UFO photos, the Mansi photograph of "Champ," various "evidence" from Loch Ness, etc...

Why do I bring this up? Because I suspect that others here share the same view and won't offer much commentary on the matter. Might as well bring it up before someone tries to spin it as the skeptics being afraid or something.

That said, it would be pretty interesting to see a comparison of your work to mangler's recent analysis.
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
So unless Dfoot figured out a way to put together a quickie study involving Patty that would qualify and then threw in the sorts of details and facts surrounding the footage that your study seems to lack, I'd say that the offer to have him present against you is just a tad bit unreasonable.
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I would venture to say Bill made that offer knowing that very well and that later he would be able to say that he had made it and Dfoot had not accepted. We're used to such tactics.

Why do I bring this up? Because I suspect that others here share the same view and won't offer much commentary on the matter. Might as well bring it up before someone tries to spin it as the skeptics being afraid or something.
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Thank you. That is exactly what would happen. Bill of course would not say it, though possibly imply it. He would leave that up to a groupie like log or LAL.
 
AMM:

"It would appear that Dfoot wouldn't be able to participate since things like "The post office would be closed at the times Patterson and Gimlin claimed to have gone there" have little to nothing to do with computers."

I will concede that anything about when a post office closed is absolutely immaterial to my research, so if that's the kind of evidence he has, I suppose some other forum or venue would be more appropriate for any presentation he might want to make.


"That said, it would be pretty interesting to see a comparison of your work to mangler's recent analysis."

Once I get the camera located and the walk path fixed, a new comparative anatomy study using that data to insure the correct camera perspective will be done, and it may compare with Mangler's work. We could revisit this remark then.

Bill
 
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