Vision From Feeling

[steenkh]

Interesting idea I will keep it in mind, although I would be sad for the bacteria.

Do you think the bacteria prefer to get eaten, and dissolved in stomach acid?

 

[Old man]

Anita, I just want to say that I appreciate the time you take in your replies...

I share this sentiment, as well.

I am very careful in not involving my university in this since I do not expect my university to want involvement with the paranormal.

Have you considered transferring to Penn State?

I have always been perfectly aware of the fact that tonsillectomies and appendectomies etc involve the removal of parts. But I did not know that vasectomy involved the removal of tissue. Had I had to guess what the procedure involves I would have assumed it involves an incision only... I have had education in this and taken courses in human anatomy but we never studied specific procedures such as this.

You wouldn’t have to "know". The information is imbedded in the word, as UncaYimmy pointed out. My point is simply that you wouldn’t necessarily have to be able to define '-ectomy' in order to have a flash of insight concerning it.

ETA: My knowledge in anatomy and medicine is much more vast from the perceptions of my ability, than they are based on knowledge that I've learned in the world.

Or, maybe your synesthesia is a transference of subconscious (but learned and retained) knowledge into impressions of ‘color’ and ‘vibrations’.

 

[Moochie]

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Moochie:

I am sure you understand that someone hoping to make a career in the field of science must be careful with how they express interests in what is considered the paranormal.

That's neither here nor there. The term, "paranormal," need never enter into the discussion with your peers or professors. You describe what you're claiming as an "ability." You could just as easily have approached anyone with your "concern" that you somehow "sense" things about people. Sorry, but I don't believe you.

I have however shared this ability with three professors at my school but did that each in a situation where I could explain this carefully and where I had developed trust in that they could remain as open-minded about this as I am and understand that I am merely hoping to find out the truth behind what to me is a very interesting experience.

And what response did you receive? Why haven't you included that (the professors' response) in your response to my obviously incredulous previous post?

I am beginning to share this with people more and more, and last time I did that gave me an opportunity to try the ability on a new person and receive some interesting data on it. I am very careful in not involving my university in this since I do not expect my university to want involvement with the paranormal.

Are you kidding me? With every sentence you type my confidence in your credibility erodes more.

Also this is the university where I work and study and it would be more convenient for me to work with my ability with another university.

Why? This makes no sense whatever.

I kind of like my website and I am sorry that you do not.

I didn't say that I didn't like it, only that it looks juvenile. I have seen worse.

I try to add a little personal touch to it and I apologize that it is pink but hey I am a girl.

How twee of you. Are you sure you're not Miley Cyrus?

I don't mind existing as a cartoon.

Great! I like cartoons!

Don't worry, by the time I have the test with the IIG I am sure there will be some publicity and hey maybe you can see me on TV and tell everybody that you talked to me back in the days?

The more likely scenario will probably be that you will sink back into the oblivion from whence you came. Gone and forgotten.


M.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

UncaYimmy:

Anita, I just want to say that I appreciate the time you take in your replies. I strongly encourage you to look at narrowing your abilities down to something extremely reliable under the best of circumstances. Many of us will be glad to assist you in that regard.

Let me start by saying that every time I type your name it comes out as "UncaYummy" and I have to go back and change it. I appreciate this Forum and all the input I receive here. Well, I want to test my ability on medical information with the IIG, it is the main part of the ability and also its observations are the most frequent, of most interest to me, and the easiest to attain.

steenkh:

Do you think the bacteria prefer to get eaten, and dissolved in stomach acid?

Actually what makes Lactobacillus interesting is that it does not mind being eaten and surrounded by stomach acid because it finds itself in a warm comfortable environment and probably also surrounded by available nutrition. Stomach acid does not dissolve the individual Lactobacillus bacteria and they are unharmed by the stomach environment, at least that is how I see it.

Old man:

Have you considered transferring to Penn State?

Well I can't choose university based on my personal interests such as the paranormal. I am very happy with my choice of university because it has a very good optical physics department which is rare to come by and I want to work with light.

You wouldn’t have to "know". The information is imbedded in the word, as UncaYimmy pointed out. My point is simply that you wouldn’t necessarily have to be able to define '-ectomy' in order to have a flash of insight concerning it.

If I had been on Who Wants To Be A Millionare and I'm on the final, million dollar question, and I have done 50/50 and there are only two options: "Does vasectomy involve an incision, or the removal of tissue?" I would have used all my might, and answered: Incision! That is why I was surprised to observe that tissue had in fact been removed. Very often my observations contradict what my beliefs and assumptions are, and interestingly I have yet never been incorrect in my medical information.

Or, maybe your synesthesia is a transference of subconscious (but learned and retained) knowledge into impressions of ‘color’ and ‘vibrations’.

If so it does not account for all of the experiences I've had with this.

Moochie:

That's neither here nor there. The term, "paranormal," need never enter into the discussion with your peers or professors. You describe what you're claiming as an "ability." You could just as easily have approached anyone with your "concern" that you somehow "sense" things about people. Sorry, but I don't believe you.

I am in a very professional, scientific environment and aim high in a medical, scientific field. I will not disgrace myself by coming across in a way that injures the impression I make. It is alright to have paranormal interests on my spare time, but I choose not to involve these into my dealings with pure and established science. I'd rather have you not believe in me as a paranormal person, than to have my instructors not believe in me as a scientist.

And what response did you receive? Why haven't you included that (the professors' response) in your response to my obviously incredulous previous post?

Alright I will share this with you. The first professor I shared this with thought it was very "unusual" although he was objective and did not assume one way or the other and I was happy to have been able to share this with someone, especially someone such as a science professor. The second professor I shared this with expressed tremendous interest and curiosity in knowing more, and let me know that he would be interested in finding out what the results of the tests are. With this professor I discussed my theories as to what the nature of this ability could be. The third professor was very objective and offered a suggestion of how this might be possible, suggesting that I might be picking up on thermal information. He specializes in optical instruments and has great interest in how different species take in information to translate this into understanding of the world. I do not want to involve any of the faculty in my private and somewhat unconventional study. Do they wish to have involvement they will have to take that step not me.

Are you kidding me? With every sentence you type my confidence in your credibility erodes more.

Why? This makes no sense whatever.

I do not want my university involved in this study because that is not the reason why I attend my university. I take my career and university seriously. No matter how sincere I personally am in my own paranormal experience I must adopt the same perspective on this as the scientific community does. It makes perfect sense to me to do this.

I didn't say that I didn't like it, only that it looks juvenile. I have seen worse.

I did worry that my webpage would be too pink for most people, then again I just wanted to have fun with it and to apply a personal touch to it, to use format and color that I like, because it is not a professional page, it is a personal page. You should see my bedroom.

Great! I like cartoons!

We all do.

The more likely scenario will probably be that you will sink back into the oblivion from whence you came. Gone and forgotten.

Well Honeybunches I am not here for the attention. I just want a paranormal test and to be here to discuss it with you all. Thanks for all the love.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I have made some new observations today. See them at http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/observations.html

 

[steenkh]

Actually what makes Lactobacillus interesting is that it does not mind being eaten and surrounded by stomach acid because it finds itself in a warm comfortable environment and probably also surrounded by available nutrition. Stomach acid does not dissolve the individual Lactobacillus bacteria and they are unharmed by the stomach environment, at least that is how I see it.

You are right, of course. I should have switched on my brain before I wrote that!

 

[Moochie]

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Moochie:

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Well Honeybunches I am not here for the attention. I just want a paranormal test and to be here to discuss it with you all. Thanks for all the love.

Well, although I am as incredulous as ever, I do wish you well in your future endeavors. For now, however, I'll just watch from the sidelines.


M.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Just so I understand.

You can detect and see stuff not usually available to known human senses - except when you can't ( the cereal experiment ) ?

I think I have the same ability, but operate mostly on the ' can't ' end of the spectrum ..

You claim you see nitrogen as ' neon green ', but when someone counters that the atmosphere is 78% nitrogen - you point out that you only see it as neon green, when it is present in a way not usually found.

Can you provide us with just one example where you viewed nitrogen as neon green ?

You claim on your WEB page:

I have an internal spectroscope in my mind and can distinguish atoms around me by their color and feeling.

It would be ridiculously easy to test for such an ability - far easier than all the posturing you are presently going through ...

Failing to submit to such a test would indicate you are lying or seriously deluded ..


You claim:

.....This is similar to but beyond magnetic resonance imaging used by the medical field to detect some forms of illness that show as darker areas on a photographic image. I do not have to look for diseases, they are already highlighted for me to see, with all the relevant structures and areas of the body shown together.

Beyond MRI ?! Why haven't you teamed up with a medical team to replace the MRI department of a major medical facility ?

You say of one of your readings: http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/observations.html

.... The wall of the heart had absorbed a particular type of oil which' source is his food, almost like a sponge designed to soak it in.

That is blatant nonsense, as are many of your assertions - far too many to debunk one by one...

I fail to understand why some of the more astute ( than me ) members of the JREF forums are not all over you for these outrageous claims, rather than spending pages of discussion about whether or not you wet your lactobacillus.

 

[Uncayimmy]

I fail to understand why some of the more astute ( than me ) members of the JREF forums are not all over you for these outrageous claims, rather than spending pages of discussion about whether or not you wet your lactobacillus.

Many people have expressed doubt in her abilities. To get "all over" her about it would probably lead to her leaving the forums altogether. Having a civil discussion to teach her how to properly assess her abilities is much more likely to be fruitful.

 

[Ashles]

If my ability is real, then there does exist a real vibrational information, and the human body and brain as an instrument being capable of accessing and processing this information, it should potentially be possible to build an instrument that can do the same as I. As an instrument it would function independently of me. It would read the vibrational pattern that corresponds to the vibrational aspect of for instance the molecule. (Vibrational aspect is what I and many physicists believe to be the more fundamental composition of matter, on a scale deeper than the atoms.) Vibrational information from different sources could be combined to calculate a resulting vibrational aspect and make predictions, and is based on not numbers but on the natural interaction of vibrational patterns. I am headed toward taking a Masters in Optical Engineering and who knows, maybe I will build such an instrument.

That didn't in any way answer the question but no matter, as agreed I only currently wanted to get a clear answer to one question:
"If the test were to yield negative results (i.e. results within the expected range of chance/guessing) would you accept that there was a possibility that your sensations were not based on real information and existed solely within your visual processing system/imagination?
A yes or no answer would help with clarity."
And you replied:

Yes. Definitely so. I want to find out.

That's fair enough and I appreciate your direct answer.

I will watch the developments with interest but I don't have anything really further to add until some independent testing has been done.
I look forward to reading the results.
Regards,
Ashles.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Many people have expressed doubt in her abilities. To get "all over" her about it would probably lead to her leaving the forums altogether. Having a civil discussion to teach her how to properly assess her abilities is much more likely to be fruitful.

In reading through the thread, I see a lot of resistance to this self assessment.
Looks like someone can't handle the truth..

However, I realize I was out of line in suggesting that others beat her up ..

I'll restrict my participation to specifics I feel should be addressed ..

....
I would like the opportunity to discuss my ability and the test of it with critical thinkers, science-minded persons, open-minded persons, or anyone else who is curious about this or has any comments that they would like to share with me....

I would at minimum, fall into the ' anyone else ' category .

Let me narrow down my recent post, to one specific question..


Can you provide us with just one example where you viewed nitrogen as neon green ?

 

[manofthesea]

Hello (Vision). I posted a quote and question for you in the "poll, Have you had a..." thread. If you'd be so kind to respond, I'd appreciate it greatly. Thanks.

 

[Soapy Sam]

Indeed, VfF's numerous tales in that thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129731&page=2 are totally fantastic.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Diogenes:

You can detect and see stuff not usually available to known human senses - except when you can't ( the cereal experiment ) ?

The objective of those first cereal tests was to try different test procedures to see when my ability would work and to determine under what conditions it would fail. I can always detect medical information at any time and it requires no effort from me, and so far the information has always been correct. Information other than health I perceive less frequently and so in a chemical identification test it takes effort and can give me a headache.

You claim you see nitrogen as ' neon green ', but when someone counters that the atmosphere is 78% nitrogen - you point out that you only see it as neon green, when it is present in a way not usually found. Can you provide us with just one example where you viewed nitrogen as neon green ?

When I look at the air with my ability I see neon green nitrogen. I also see it in nitrogen gas tanks at the college chemistry department. I also detect the presence of nitrogen in molecules.

You claim on your WEB page: I have an internal spectroscope in my mind and can distinguish atoms around me by their color and feeling. It would be ridiculously easy to test for such an ability - far easier than all the posturing you are presently going through ... Failing to submit to such a test would indicate you are lying or seriously deluded ..

I would submit to such a test.

Beyond MRI ?! Why haven't you teamed up with a medical team to replace the MRI department of a major medical facility ?

I would love to do that. My information would of course have to be confirmed by medical imaging before measures can be taken on a patient's health.

You say of one of your readings: http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/observations.html .... The wall of the heart had absorbed a particular type of oil which' source is his food, almost like a sponge designed to soak it in. That is blatant nonsense, as are many of your assertions - far too many to debunk one by one...

Well if this is the fact of the health of the heart then it is not nonsense. It is very specific information, simple medical imaging would reveal whether the heart is enlarged or not and a Cardiologist could offer some insight into the possible causes and as to the effects of different types of fat on the heart.

I fail to understand why some of the more astute ( than me ) members of the JREF forums are not all over you for these outrageous claims, rather than spending pages of discussion about whether or not you wet your lactobacillus.

I agree and that's why you are here. I'm really trying to figure out what the ability is and why I make correct perceptions on the health of other people. I do not favor one explanation over another.

UncaYimmy:

Many people have expressed doubt in her abilities. To get "all over" her about it would probably lead to her leaving the forums altogether. Having a civil discussion to teach her how to properly assess her abilities is much more likely to be fruitful.

I welcome any critique and comments and don't hold any back. I need other people's perspective on this and I am not going anywhere.

 

[Madalch]

When I look at the air with my ability I see neon green nitrogen. I also see it in nitrogen gas tanks at the college chemistry department. I also detect the presence of nitrogen in molecules.
I would submit to such a test.

I suggested one- have you tried it?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Diogenes:

In reading through the thread, I see a lot of resistance to this self assessment.
Looks like someone can't handle the truth..

And what is the truth? The truth is that when I look at a person I perceive images in my mind of their tissue, I feel health problems as a dissonance or imbalance, and I can put into words what I am observing. I make very specific and detailed descriptions of illness, tissues, pain and discomfort without communication with the person. Many times the descriptions have no external symptoms that I can think of, which might be in the form of visual clues, posture, movement or other. What also is amazing is how I am very confident in the information, even when it contradicts what my beliefs are. For instance when I saw that the vasectomy involved the removal of tissue but had been under the assumption that vasectomy involves an incision only.

The truth is that I receive accurate information about the health of people. The question is is this the case of extrasensory perception or are there other, down to earth explanations to this? The truth to this is not know at this point, and what ever it is I will handle it.

However, I realize I was out of line in suggesting that others beat her up

I welcome any discussions and comments but no one is here to beat up anyone.

Madalch:
No have not tried it yet.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

From thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130245
logical muse:

Hmm. First you say you detect interesting health information in celebrities, and you can do it on the radio, and then you say we have to meet. It's a shame you've changed your tune, as I was looking forward to hearing what you detected about my health. Good luck with your test in Hollywood. eta: I was typing this while you posted your message requesting followups in another thread.

I have to see the person to receive information. I detect information about the health of celebrities when I see them on television, but I'd prefer to meet with a person. My radio show would have me meet with people and describe what I see on radio to the listeners. I would love to try this with you anyway. Is there any way you could send me a video of yourself? Do you have a webcam?

ETA: Does anyone have a webcam and want to volunteer to let me try my ability on detecting medical information? We would then publish what I find, and only after I have done that will you let us know about the accuracy of my findings. Anyone?
ETA: Since often I detect information that is very personal, I suggest that I send my information to the volunteer first, who then has the option to omit any part of my information that they wish to not disclose to this Forum. Would that compromise the quality of this test? Comments?

 

[Madalch]

Is there any way you could send me a video of yourself? Do you have a webcam?

I have a webcam (via Skype), and I can dash down the hall to grab a chemical containing nitrogen, if you wish to test that, too.

 

[Madalch]

I have a webcam (via Skype), and I can dash down the hall to grab a chemical containing nitrogen, if you wish to test that, too.

That was interesting. PM me if you noticed any health problems.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I just had a test with Madalch over Skype where he had one beaker with Ammonium chloride, and another with Sodium chloride, and asked me to tell them apart. I gave an answer, and I was incorrect.

I will still need to try this in real life, and if I still fail then I can conclude that my perception of color with atoms is not the case of extrasensory perception and must be due to something else such as synesthesia. I do not recall a single experience of perceiving atoms in color on television.

ETA: One professor of physics suggested that what I refer to as vibrational information may in fact be the use of thermal information, in which case a video would not transmit that information, so I can not conclude no ability just yet.

ETA: Does anyone want to try medical diagnose over webcam? Madalch are you available for that?