I think you are splitting hairs for no reason.
Actually, for one example, there are people like Jared Taylor, who want to enact racial profiling (and thus remove the whole idea of "all men being created equal and having inalienable rights"), based on this exact logical mistake. He quotes statistics of crimes being committed by "black people," as though being black was the cause instead of being poor, uneducated, from the inner-city, or many other things.
Keep in mind that Nazism and Scientology were once just bad ideas in someone's brain, that they fooled other people into following through lazy thinking.
The difference is that when someone else makes a generalized statement its taken as a generalized statement. You are persnickity at this term because it actually reflects a reality that's hard to swallow.
No, I'm "persnickity" at this term because it represents bad thinking that, when put into action, results in suffering for millions of people. I would be "persnickity" if people in Afghanistan were making "harmless, lazy" statements about the Jews being a problem also.
In other words when you live in a world that says that white people are racist, most white people don't think its personal attack on them as an individual. Its about the accepted norms in society.
When did I say white people are racist? In fact, I said specifically that that was the same fallacy.
Whether you want to admit it or not, hip hop culture is the accepted norm in the black community. Across the board. From billionares to the guy at the shoe store. It is considered mainstream (hip) black culture.
Yeah, to everybody but Bill Cosby, Oprah, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Nelson Mandela, Juan Williams, Larry Elder, Sal Masakela, Colin Powell, Neil Tyson, Condoleezza Rice, Jimi Hendrix fans, Darius Rucker and his fans, Cowboy Troy and his fans, Michael Jackson and his fans, Stevie Wonder and his fans...and that tiny segment of the black population that listens to Jazz, Soul, Disco, Doo-Wop, Little Richard or Reggae.
Other than that, they're all hip-hoppers!
The depths to which the vulgarity of some of it goes, might not be appreciated by the majority of the black community however most of the hip hop culture is sort of treated as a "weird relative that is part of the family."
But is not THE FAMILY. Do you acknowledge the difference?
Virtually ignored by the black community is the damage that it causes in the culture.
Then why did so many black people hold a "funeral" for the N-Word? Why have Sharpton, Barack Obama, Bill Cosby, Louis Farrakhan and many other black people (good and bad) come out in interviews saying that the gangster rap culture is bad for the black community? You ever watch youtube?
No no, its much more interesting to focus on white people and all the unfair advantages that are given to them for being white. Violence that stems from this culture is piggy backed on to racist white cops who for no reason wander around projects trying to shoot innocent black men who really are listening to Barry Manilow on their Ipods.
We'll deal with this as soon as we get past your first misunderstanding.
When you have top black role models and spokes people cozing up with rap stars, when you have Oprah for example slipping into the "home girl" vernacular, then this is why people tend to think of the hip hop culture as part of the black culture in general. Because it IS.
It is PART of the black culture, and by the same token, country music is PART of the white culture. They are not THE CULTURE ITSELF. Do you understand this?
Now while obviously there are going to be people that don't like the culture they are going to be a minority. Show me this minority?
*sigh*
Bill Cosby, Oprah, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Nelson Mandela, Juan Williams, Larry Elder, Sal Masakela, Colin Powell, Neil Tyson, Condoleezza Rice, Jimi Hendrix fans, Darius Rucker and his fans, Cowboy Troy and his fans, Michael Jackson and his fans, Stevie Wonder and his fans...and that tiny segment of the black population that listens to Jazz, Soul, Disco, Doo-Wop, Little Richard or Reggae...
Oh, and me.
The only one that comes to mind recently is Bill Cosby who was escoriated by the NAACP for speaking out about the reality of black youth in America who emulated the lifestyle.
Then you are completely ignorant of black culture. Plain and simple.
Perhaps the cause of this is not ideologies per se, but rather the fact that most people rely on media to convey their messages. And since "heros" in the black community tend to emulate this hip hop culture, there's been a juxtaposition of this "hip" culture with more "mainstream" culture that's supposed to make it more relevant. Taking a page from the N.O. situation, it was Kanye West who drew so much attention to the plight of the people and labled the big fat racist sticker across the situation. And he was lauded as a hero. Many black celebrities who are part of this community who are more outspoken than others are lauded as heros and sometimes they are heros.
You're discussing the ramifications of a conclusion that you have yet to demonstrate and that is purely invalid and unsupported, just like a creationist wondering how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
But to suggest that 'hip hop" culture is not part of the general black community is just totally ridiculous to me. It most certainly is, in one way or another.
When did I say it wasn't part? I said it is not the community and it is NOT accurate to use the term "black people" when you're referring to hip-hop. It seems like you're trying to sneak out at night and move the goalposts.
Oh and since you keep insisting for evidence on what is plainly obvious here's a bit of wiki for you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_We_Can
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will.i.am
A black person, who fronted a pop-group of which the lead singer was a White Woman (Fergie)...made a song for Barack Obama? What's your point? Should I point to Hillary endorsing Obama and claim that as evidence that middle-aged wealthy white women are also part of the black culture?
