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Moneymakin'! The BFRO Bigfoot Expeditions Thread.

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I have to wonder how many people willing to shell out money to go on a BFRO "expedition" are familiar with the Sonoma scandal.

An excerpt from the Penn and Teller expose' found here on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3BvR6pW-pQ

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I'm guessing that Biscardi is supposebly A-hole 1
and that MM is supposed to be A-hole 2 then. Is that correct? Otherwise why post that in the Bfor thread. If so, I wouldn't try to put any blame on MM for trying to acquire any possible footage. That's part of investigation. It would then expose the perps to fraud charges if it was faked. No wonder they used the term a hole. Nothing like getting stung pulling a sting.

I don't find they're type of entertainment amusing. But now being familiar with that type of attitude I am now wondering what there screen names hear are.

One interesting thing did strike in that utube vid., the science guy stated that apes don't swing their arms when they walk. They dont' usually walk upright either. So, is he stating that a real bigfoot woodn't swing his arms when he walked opposed to us humans who do, assuming proper motor skills. (I'm trying to imagine how they'd walk now and I'm only picturing that Simmons guy flailing his arms around.) I'm thinking that science guy was told by PT of its fakery and his professed analysis was not really thought out, which would only lead me to also believe that he was initially fooled.
 
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manofthesea said:
I'm guessing that Biscardi is supposebly A-hole 1
and that MM is supposed to be A-hole 2 then. Is that correct? Otherwise why post that in the Bfor thread. If so, I wouldn't try to put any blame on MM for trying to acquire any possible footage.
Sorry, I don't know what you know, so please forgive me for telling you things you may already know. Long before Penn and Teller publicly exposed the footage as fake, John Freitas did a thorough investigation of "Mark Nelson" and his claims. A good account of that is found here:

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/hoaxes/sonoma_footage.htm

I've met Freitas personally, and I'm impressed by the guy. I spoke with him at some length at the Pocatello conference. Freitas had strong evidence that the "Sonoma" video was a hoax, and said so publicly. His reasoning was sound.

Moneymaker publicly attacks Freitas viciously. Clearly the truth threatens a potential "moneymaker" for the BFRO.

The BFRO had a long webpage up at the time, defending the "Sonoma" video, and attacking Freitas.

I remember being on the Internet when the news broke about Penn and Teller being behind the Sonoma video. WITHIN AN HOUR the BFRO's webpage had been taken down!!!

That's a cover-up worthy of Richard Nixon. Obviously total vindication for Freitas. Thankfully Wolftrax had taken screen-shots of the BFRO's webpage, and of course there are other historical resources to prove that the BFRO did this.

This incident alone is why I consider Matt Moneymaker a complete and total sleazebag.
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I had totally forgotten about the Sonoma video. Thank you for the info.

If MM was previously fooled about that video, why is he so critical of Coleman for falling for the Georgia video?
 
I hesitated to mention this, not because of this board but because of MM - but I attended an expedition years ago. MM spent most of the time either sleeping or downing Red Bull. As someone with a teaching background, he reminded me of a kid with ADHD. I also noticed that MM did not discourage attendees from suggesting that every little sound in the forest was a bigfoot.
 
We need to keep in mind how fast the Internet has changed certain things. Remember, the Sonoma video was released just a few months after YouTube was created.

The "Manitoba" footage was released about 3 months after YouTube was created. Obviously it took a bit of time before YouTube became as popular as it has.

Presented today on YouTube, neither of these videos would probably even get a mention on Cryptomundo, a site where monsters like "Fence Fiends" are news...

The quality of the Sonoma video was terrible from the get-go, and only began to be taken seriously because it was promoted by the BFRO. Based on Penn and Teller's "backstory" it's clear that the BFRO saw MONEY could be made, even with such poor footage.

This is the same bunch that promotes an asinine "pancake eating" video as that of Bigfoot.

Moneymaker could just as well be conducting seances or leading ghost hunts.
 
tube said:
We need to keep in mind how fast the Internet has changed certain things. Remember, the Sonoma video was released just a few months after YouTube was created.


The quality of the Sonoma video was terrible from the get-go, and only began to be taken seriously because it was promoted by the BFRO. Based on Penn and Teller's "backstory" it's clear that the BFRO saw MONEY could be made, even with such poor footage.



Moneymaker could just as well be conducting seances or leading ghost hunts.
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That is interesting. And thanks for the information.

A bit off topic, but how would you compare the Sonoma 'creature' to that of the PGF creature? I think PT filmed the 'creature' in those circumstances intentionally, ie. briefly, out of focus, etc. knowing that those conditions are what has kept the PGF creature such a mystery. (The arm swing did seem exagerated.)
 
tube said:
This is the same bunch that promotes an asinine "pancake eating" video as that of Bigfoot.

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OT post. I saw mention at BFF (before I was banned ((I think)) for my latest spat with dear Ray) that there is a high quality version of the pancake video coming out in the near future, and that it could be the new defining evidence needed to help prove the existence of bigfoot.
 
Just wondering if anyone knew where any good BFRO camera traps were being set up in California... you know? So I can avoid them while prancing in my Bigfoot suit.

I don't want to risk having anyone go on television to investigate pics of me acting all ape-like in front of a camera. That would be ... embarrassing.:o

- Mr. Pickens
 
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kitakaze said:
Just think of somebody like MOTS in the woods. There going to find some Bigfoot activity.
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I know your misspelling on porpoise, but it'd fe bunnier if you used their occasionally.
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Thank you, MOTS, for attempting to assist me with my spelling. I try to keep it sharp but I'm not immune to the occassional there/their/they're, were/we're, your/you're flub. Sometimes I ommit a comma or even a word. I'm a loose cannon, I understand.

In this case we both messed up. I typed "there" and you suggested "their." Actually, if you read the sentence, you can see that "they're" is what was correct.

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manofthesea said:
I don't find they're type of entertainment amusing. But now being familiar with that type of attitude I am now wondering what there screen names hear are.
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I bet I've done that one, too.
 
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kitakaze said:
Thank you, MOTS, for attempting to assist me with my spelling. I try to keep it sharp but I'm not immune to the occassional there/their/they're, were/we're, your/you're flub. Sometimes I ommit a comma or even a word. I'm a loose cannon, I understand.

In this case we both messed up. I typed "there" and you suggested "their." Actually, if you read the sentence, you can see that "they're" is what was correct.

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I bet I've done that one, too.
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My earlier accusation of you being an English teacher stands. I misspelled 'supposebly' and 'woodn't' and misused they're and there. You've apparently missed those.
 
But getting back off topic, you've asked my opinion on the pancake video. I haven't seen it, nor any of the other popular videos. But I recently mentioned that thur was a better quality pancake dvd coming out soon that will just make you choke on any whale sashimi you may have happened to ingest at the time of viewing.

ETA: sashimi is what rednecks call sushi. Sushi is a conglomeration of goodies stuffed in rice and usually wrapped in seaweed.
 
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manofthesea said:
My earlier accusation of you being an English teacher stands. I misspelled 'supposebly' and 'woodn't' and misused they're and there. You've apparently missed those.
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What an accusation. "You're an English teacher!" Sorry, MOTS, you'd be wrong. I've stated my profession here before and it certainly isn't up for discussion with you. If I wanted to hump your leg in frustration with spelling errors, I'd need a cod piece lest I knock myself sterile. Talk to me about BFRO expeditions here or don't talk to me at all.
 
kitakaze said:
What an accusation. "You're an English teacher!" Sorry, MOTS, you'd be wrong. I've stated my profession here before and it certainly isn't up for discussion with you. If I wanted to hump your leg in frustration with spelling errors, I'd need a cod piece lest I knock myself sterile. Talk to me about BFRO expeditions here or don't talk to me at all.
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Okay Mr. ESL. C'mon, a Canadian teaching science in Japan. (I think I just p'd a little on myself)
 
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Very interesting. The BFRO has just posted their expedition schedule for 2009. In keeping with the trend that I noted in the OP, this year shows a significant increase in expeditions, 26 listed to last year's 18:

http://bfro.net/news/roundup/exped_next.asp

Some speculative math. 29 expeditions X 30 participants at $300 per person = $261,000.00. That's just a crude estimate. With financial backing by a multi-millionaire and that kind of capital to look forward to, is it unreasonable to be unimpressed with the BFRO pulling lint out of its Bigfoot evidence pockets?
 
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So Moneymaker has a fit and calls on fellow BFRO members at his discussion board to help him with "anti-BFRO propaganda" with particular reference to the BFF. BFF admins start showing up and he closes the thread quick and moves it with this post:

Navigator/Matthew Moneymaker said:
Posted: December 8th, 2008 12:40 AM

For those of you who wonder where the threads went mentioning the bogus propaganda on the Internet regarding BFRO expeditions -- those threads have been move to the Old Threads section for future reference.

And just so the rest of you understand why I react so strongly about that bogus propaganda on the Interent: If I don't do that, and do it that way, no one will talk about it on those outside forums, and no one will remember it.

If they don't talk about it, and they don't remember it, then I might as well not have said it at all.

Thanks for listening. I'm sure you'll remember it now.

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http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=124725&threadid=1977994

Does anybody know what he just said?

Here's where they moved it:

http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/forum.php?forumid=125147
 
So now Bipto is leading the anti-BFRO charge by conveying threats to keep people from going on expeditions?

Where did he post them?
 
Remember when Randi took on Uri Gellar?

Why doesn't he take on the BFRO? It seems to be right up his alley.
 
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