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Moneymakin'! The BFRO Bigfoot Expeditions Thread.

kitakaze said:
Can you be more specific? It is well known among Bigfoot enthusiasts that the BFRO experienced a mass exodus of people, including well known professionals and academics associated with Bigfootery such as Jeff meldrum, out of the BFRO due to issues with head Matthew Moneymaker and a desire to distance themselves with the BFRO's perceived deteriorating reputation.
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It'd be hard to. I guess you don't remember, but I just found BFF last year. I had never heard about BFRO or BFF, and I've only seen a few regulars bash the BFRO, but they're just the regular sour grapes, they seem to enjoy attacking anybody, even each other. But, almost all of the moderators are distinctly southern. At least the BFRO is out in the field trying to investigate this matter, and they provide encounter reports, investigation follow ups, etc. Which seems the right way to go about an investigation into an unknown subject. You state that Meldrum left BFRO, but he seems to spend his time investigating in Canada, which is more northern than any of our northern states, excepting Alaska.
I've heard BFF people mention the 'Boggy Creek' movie as if it was factual. There seems to be a new group in Texas trying to be scientific about this matter though.

What is "well known to bigfoot enthusiasts" about the seemingly north/south divide and the exodus from BFRO?
 
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kitakaze said:
I will make a more detailed posting when I have time. For now here are two links that will get you started:

Past Expedition Notes.

Upcoming Expeditions.


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Those are BFRO's own boards. I was asking about any evidence of BFRO people throwing pinecones, deceptively knocking on trees (presumably to act as if that was done by bigfoot), or wearing suits.

Or are those accusations leveled by people who have been disassociated with the BFRO? You know, the sour grapes.
In fact, let me be more exact. Is there any evidence provided by ex members of the BFRO that would implicate the BFRO in fraudulent conduct towards paying expedition people. Or is it the ex members themselves who've stated that they (the ex members) conducted said fraudulent behavior. (And is that possibly why they were then disassociated with the BFRO)
 
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kitakaze have you ever attended a BFRO expedition? Well I've attended three this year and enjoyed them all. I learned alot and met some great people. THEY ARE NOT A SCAM. I think what probably happened is you tried to attend an expedition and they declined you. Why else would you rant and rave about it like this?
 
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Welcome to the fora, ScottSmith!

You are pretty emphatic that the BFRO expeditions are not scams. I'll give you a taste of what is common feedstock around this joint: Do you have evidence to back up your claim?
 
Welcome to the forum, Scott.

Since you've been on these expeditions, maybe you could take a shot (no pun intended) at my question above. Would the BFRO let me take a tranquilizer gun and give ol' Squatch a shot in the bum? We'd all be instantly world-renowned as the ones who brought him back alive.

Or is that against BFRO policy?
 
Why am I getting mental images of Desert Jacks Graboid Tours?

But in all fairness, I have to state 2 things.

Regardless of what I think of their "investigative prowess"- They have every right to organize fee based "expeditions" and if people want to attend, more power to them. If they get what they felt they paid for, theres little else to say.

The issue of "scam". I've heard numerous claims from people that they were and some claims of people being asked to scam, make noises, throw stuff and such. So ( in fairness to the BFRO and being a facts and data guy) has ANY claim of this scamming/hoaxing ever been shown to be true? Has there been at least a valid circumstantial case by someone who would know that might be reliable?

If these claims are just unsubstantiated rumor or sour grapes then the BFRO ( or any organization) shouldnt be judged by them or have their business impugned.

If there is a legitimate claim of orchestrating a scam, throw it on the table for the world to see.

Does anyone know of a legitimate claim?

 
ScottSmith said:
kitakaze have you ever attended a BFRO expedition? Well I've attended three this year and enjoyed them all. I learned alot and met some great people. THEY ARE NOT A SCAM. I think what probably happened is you tried to attend an expedition and they declined you. Why else would you rant and rave about it like this?
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Hi, Scott. Welcome to the JREF. I see you heeded the call. I have never been on an expedition with the BFRO though I would be very interested. Considering that I live in Japan it does make things a bit more difficult. Neither have I tried to join one and been refused.

I'm interested in what you experienced in terms of evidence of a giant bipedal non-human North American primate on those three expeditions?

Longtabber makes a very good point. If there is evidence of scamming going on it should be examined. My issue with these expeditions is that the BFRO promotes them with the indication of a high chance of encountering Bigfoot in some manner. The evidence of these encounters consistently comes in the form of something easily accomplished by people in the woods. Did you happen to go on the expedtion with members cowering in fear, thinking they were being corraled by highly organized Bigfoot pinecone lobbing?

Let me make this perfectly clear for you. If you want to go on $300 Bigfoot expeditions, that is absolutely your right. I'm sure you have a very good time. Bigfootery is a social networking activity so you should expected to do such things. Let me ask you a simple question. If Bigfoot really exists across the North American continent and beyond... If it lives, eats, poops, sleeps, humps, makes babies, and dies across the land... If it does these things and your organization can consistently locate them across the continent for paying individuals...

Why can't your organization come up with reliable evidence of these encounters?
 
Here is an interesting post from BFF that quotes a post from BFRO .. http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=24394


http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=124725&threadid=1976968
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The bottom line: BFRO members and supporters need to help counter-act this BFF-originated propaganda.

Here's what you can do, easily:

1) Do a Google search for "BFRO Expeditions" to look for those threads. Then join those message boards. If you've attended a BFRO expedition, tell them so. Set them straight about the expeditions, and how this "scam" propaganda got started on that rival web site, the BFF.

2) If someone else has not done so already on that forum, start a new thread asking the same kind of question: "Has anyone ever attended a BFRO expedition?" then let others on this (blue) forum know about your thread so they can reply.

Yes, nothing can stop envious BFFers from going to those same threads and continuing to talk crap, but the truth will shine through.

The simple fact is, at this point in time, there are MANY MANY MORE expedition attendees than there are obsessive liars on the BFF.

The people who are considering attending future BFRO expeditions should not be falsely prejudiced by envious people who have never attended these trips.
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At present, this thread ( ' Moneymakin ... etc. ' ) shows up at #5 , when you Google " BFRO expeditions "..


So hopefully, we can look forward to more expeditionees joining our discussions...
 
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I'm curious.

Exactly what thread or post at the BFF "launched" this claim of the BFRO "scamming" people?

If it started there, why the alleged MM post here?

Did i miss something or was it pulled?
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
I'm curious.

Exactly what thread or post at the BFF "launched" this claim of the BFRO "scamming" people?

If it started there, why the alleged MM post here?

Did i miss something or was it pulled?
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It was on the BFRO public forum from MM himself
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
I'm curious.

Exactly what thread or post at the BFF "launched" this claim of the BFRO "scamming" people?

If it started there, why the alleged MM post here?

Did i miss something or was it pulled?
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I think MM focused on the BFF when the blatant claim of scamming was posted here..


I did a search of " BFRO + scamming " over at BFF, and failed to come up with any recent, outright claim of people being scammed on expeditions..

Perhaps he was reluctant to point his members toward a clearly skeptical venue, as opposed to a group of fellow believers.

Ironically, in suggesting the " Google and join other forums " tactic, he will be steering a bunch of them this way ..
 
mikeyx said:
It was on the BFRO public forum from MM himself
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If I'm understanding you correctly, there is/was another post there where he pointed to something specific and its no longer there?

If so, do you remember what it was or said?

I dont know what tripped his trigger but its reasonable to accept that something specific did. ( something of significance had to happen for him to start a thread and allegedly come here and make a threatening post to KK you would think)

Its no secret that many INDIVIDUALS on the BFF have an axe to grind with him personally or the BFRO and there are many adverse posts there but to say that the BFF as a forum has some kind of agenda or is actively promoting or endorsing adverse comments regarding the BFRO is totally false on its face and unsubstantiated by fact.

I just feel that there might be an as yet unknown backstory here.
 
LONGTABBER PE said:
If I'm understanding you correctly, there is/was another post there where he pointed to something specific and its no longer there?

If so, do you remember what it was or said?

I dont know what tripped his trigger but its reasonable to accept that something specific did. ( something of significance had to happen for him to start a thread and allegedly come here and make a threatening post to KK you would think)

Its no secret that many INDIVIDUALS on the BFF have an axe to grind with him personally or the BFRO and there are many adverse posts there but to say that the BFF as a forum has some kind of agenda or is actively promoting or endorsing adverse comments regarding the BFRO is totally false on its face and unsubstantiated by fact.

I just feel that there might be an as yet unknown backstory here.
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What tripped his trigger was of course money. Times are getting worse money is getting tight. Less and less folks can part with $300 to go play super boyscout for a couple of days looking for Bigfoot. So the last thing BFRO needs right now is a thread or threads here and elsewhere that may cause people not to part with the money.
 
I want to be clear that I don't think on every single expedition there are created events. I also think that absolutely when you have a gaggle of Bigfoot enthusiasts out camping together they are going to create there own events. Just think of somebody like MOTS in the woods. There going to find some Bigfoot activity. Also it stands to reason that Moneymaker has to be very careful with what kind of "encouragement" can take place on his camping trips. I don't think he would ever be dumb enough to have someone in a suit when it's completely unnecessary to achieve the results desired. All you need is just enough to say "maybe." When all you have to do is throw a few things, whack a few trees, or howl from the other side of the valley and the result is great feedback for your business, I don't think it takes long before some funny business is going on.

Here is some links to some posts I did in the 411 PGF thread on the BFRO's 2007 Vancouver Island expedition:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2974537#post2974537

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2975371#post2975371

These are some prime examples of a situation ripe for hoaxing and some very embarrassing behaviour by Bigfoot fans.
 
kitakaze said:
Just think of somebody like MOTS in the woods. There going to find some Bigfoot activity.
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hehe. Finally picked up a new dog friend for my husky. He's a one year old ridgeback.
http://pets.webshots.com/photo/2779669010100173520jxBuZo

I don't think that they'd run from 'bigolstinky'.

However, living in Hawaii, I'm limited in my bigfoot hunting. I've mentioned before that I have numerous family members that bowhunt and 30.06 hunt and they have the green light from me to 'you know what'.

I wouldn't pay to hike, but I was more curious in seeing if you had any evidence, proof, or just hearsay regarding your repeated accusations of BFRO malfeasance.

I did mention an interesting story on BFF awhile back. There was a discussion about the lack of fossilized remains and I mentioned that I had met an individual in eastern Washington who stated that he 'donated' a fossilized spear to a local museum at Iniat, Wa. He also stated he had access to a couple of very interesting sites that nobody knew about, very old, but since the museum jacked him he would no longer work with them. That was while on a water skiing tour of eastern Washington (my style of bigfooting). Nothing like wakeboarding while the forest service is scooping water for wildfires (Hit it!).
 
I have to wonder how many people willing to shell out money to go on a BFRO "expedition" are familiar with the Sonoma scandal.

An excerpt from the Penn and Teller expose' found here on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3BvR6pW-pQ

Yeah, even our favorite bacon-grease-enhanced researchers understand what the BFRO is all about...
 
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