The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[William Parcher]

Its a complete joke. I wonder if anybody thought to question the huge disparity between the PGF creature color and Morris recreation.

I'm thinking of a different joke. You were in this forum when we talked about why the Morris recreation suit is a different color. After experiencing you for over a year now, IMO you have ADD.

 

[Crowlogic]

William so what is your point? Do you realy think that the tripe this place banters about is worth keeping in memory for more than 36 hours. However the fact that they used the wrong color suit pretty much say that the whole lot of them, Bob, Morris and the producers not only didn't care about dotting their I's but they pretty much left out half the alphabet.

 

[William Parcher]

Here you go. Do I win?

I'll bet if we had video of this flabby fellow articulating we could get a better estimate.

I don't know if you win. I don't exactly know where his shoulder joint is. We know his pads add height and need to make an adjustment for that. You probably corrected for that when you decided where to put your spot. Somebody else might guess a different location.

I sorta tried to simulate what we might see if this guy had on short furcloth instead of the jersey (think Bigfoot costume). If we were dressing this guy as a Bigfoot, and went with the arm as I have drawn, some might say the forearm is disproportionately short. This is because the entire shoulder is supposed to look like living Bigfoot flesh. We could then make it more proportionate by adding length to the forearm. We could end the forearm with a hand/glove which he cannot fully insert his hand into. The tips of his fingers fall short of the costume fingertips.

This might be the design of Patty's shoulders and arms. An attempt to locate the shoulder joint for the IM index could be erroneous because the entire shoulder is not living flesh. The elbow location remains the same and might be accurately located. The wrist joint is false because the forearm is lengthened.

 

[GT/CS]

We could end the forearm with a hand/glove which he cannot fully insert his hand into. The tips of his fingers fall short of the costume fingertips.

Yes, yes, yes. Exactly!

Anyone who has worn heavy gloves in the frigid cold knows this. When one's fingers start to get cold and hurt he or she pulls them out of the glove's finger slots and curls them into fists.

The glove's fingers then flop around, supported only by the fabric they are made from. They look and behave exactly like Patty's fingers.

Bob's finger tips are most likely just below the wrist bands and the gloves are empty. I don't see any bending in them but if they really are bending it is ever so slight. Exactly what rubber glove fingers would do.

 

[Crowlogic]

Yes, yes, yes. Exactly!

Anyone who has worn heavy gloves in the frigid cold knows this. When one's fingers start to get cold and hurt he or she pulls them out of the glove's finger slots and curls them into fists.

The glove's fingers then flop around, supported only by the fabric they are made from. They look and behave exactly like Patty's fingers.

Bob's finger tips are most likely just below the wrist bands and the gloves are empty. I don't see any bending in them but if they really are bending it is ever so slight. Exactly what rubber glove fingers would do.

One of few things I've seen in recent times that's worth mentioning is the strange nature of the palm of Patty's left hand. Parcher posted the same frames I've posted elsewhere and posed the same question why the palm shot produces a such a huge hand. While its been tauted as an anomoly in the most vivid frame it does in fact present the same large image in every frame it appears which is both before and after the primary frame.

 

[captain koolaid]

Yes, yes, yes. Exactly!

Anyone who has worn heavy gloves in the frigid cold knows this. When one's fingers start to get cold and hurt he or she pulls them out of the glove's finger slots and curls them into fists.

The glove's fingers then flop around, supported only by the fabric they are made from. They look and behave exactly like Patty's fingers.

Bob's finger tips are most likely just below the wrist bands and the gloves are empty. I don't see any bending in them but if they really are bending it is ever so slight. Exactly what rubber glove fingers would do.

Correct. Doubt that any sort of mechanical device was employed or needed. I don't think the finger "flex" was intentional in any event. I suspect that the "movement" is a dead giveaway of a suit via partially filled glove. Similar to the cartoon heel of the rubber foot, and the thigh tuck under the diaper butt. If the "movement" is not a result of poor resolution, and is an actual action, the finger tip and knuckle bend at 90 to 45 degree angles (approx), but the middle joint does not bend at all. Take a rubber glove with your hand only half inserted, short of the knuckles and press a finger lightly against your thigh or a table top. The same sort of weird "flex" can occur.

 

[Crowlogic]

That's so weird considering how they walk exactly the same. Bob is just living the lie 24/7.

Seeing Bob walk on film and doing a Pattyish gait is great. Marvelous. However in virtually every film of him walking he knows there's a camera on him. Do we have any hidden camera videos showing Bob walking the walk? At this point in time he's an actor. His act is playing the part of the guy in the Patterson suit. Show us some candid Bob and he's a stronger candidate. Those arms need a few inches walk or no walk.

 

[GT/CS]

Seeing Bob walk on film and doing a Pattyish gait is great. Marvelous. However in virtually every film of him walking he knows there's a camera on him. Do we have any hidden camera videos showing Bob walking the walk? At this point in time he's an actor. His act is playing the part of the guy in the Patterson suit. Show us some candid Bob and he's a stronger candidate. Those arms need a few inches walk or no walk.

Since the camera was on Patty why would you want to see Bob's walk when he's not on camera. If Bob is Patty then his camera stride is all that matters.

 

[William Parcher]

If Patty is a hoax and BH wasn't in the suit, then the guy who was in the suit is either dead or choosing not to come forward. Bob Heironimus is the only person that has confessed to being in the suit.

 

[LTC8K6]

It is quite obvious that the image on the right has been manipulated to create the poster for the TV show. You can see that some sort of 'softening' has been applied, and the fine texture of the fur is lost. Same was done for Bob next to Philip (holding the headpiece).

Thanks, WP. I didn't realize that. I was thinking it was just motion blur from the movement, but it is not. It is an "enhancement" added later.

 

[Crowlogic]

Since the camera was on Patty why would you want to see Bob's walk when he's not on camera. If Bob is Patty then his camera stride is all that matters.

Bob says in the National Geographic video or History Channel video "since I walked that way naturally." But he has also said "Roger showed me how he wanted me to walk". So which is it, Bob naturally walks like Patty or he perfected a walk Roger Patterson coached him to exibit.

Once again a truly candid video of Bob walking without havng to do anyting with the PGF is whats needed to confirm whether Bob actually does walk "the walk" naturally as he said.

Hmmm why don't they hook Bob up to a motion recording device and have him do "the walk". That would be worth 1000 lie detector tests and any number of actor and athletes.

Gimlin gets accused of sticking to his story so he can get free donuts so maybe Bob likes donuts too. Judging from the size of his gut I'd say he's even more fond of donuts than Gimlin.

 

[William Parcher]

Bob says in the National Geographic video or History Channel video "since I walked that way naturally." But he has also said "Roger showed me how he wanted me to walk". So which is it, Bob naturally walks like Patty or he perfected a walk Roger Patterson coached him to exibit.

What difference does it make? If Bob learned the walk from Patterson's coaching... then you have to ask why Roger would be teaching Bob how to do that.

If on the other hand, you don't think Bob walks like Patty at all, then just come right out and say it.

 

[William Parcher]

Parcher posted the same frames I've posted elsewhere and posed the same question why the palm shot produces a such a huge hand.

There you go again, Crow. You dislike this forum so much that you can't even remember your own actions and thoughts?

You never posted this frame. You posted one where she shows her big mitt hand when she is moving away into the trees.

 

[SweatyYeti]

One of few things I've seen in recent times that's worth mentioning is the strange nature of the palm of Patty's left hand. Parcher posted the same frames I've posted elsewhere and posed the same question why the palm shot produces a such a huge hand. While its been tauted as an anomoly in the most vivid frame it does in fact present the same large image in every frame it appears which is both before and after the primary frame.

I think the reason why Patty's left palm looks so large is because it's white, and overexposed on the film.

I've noticed that very close to the end of the film, when Patty's right hand should barely be distinguishable from her dark body, it stands out, and appears whitish in color.
So, I think it's a pretty sure thing that both her palms are white.

I'll post a few of those still frames when I have a chance, probably tomorrow.

 

[Crowlogic]

There you go again, Crow. You dislike this forum so much that you can't even remember your own actions and thoughts?

You never posted this frame. You posted one where she shows her big mitt hand when she is moving away into the trees.


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Yoo hoo Williy oh Willy the elsewhere I was referring to was on BFF June 30 2007. I know you may find it hard to believe that there are eleswheres. No I didn't post exactly THAT frame I posted a black & white still from the MK Davis stabilized gif. moving through the trees yes and you also posted that frame too. That IS the frame I'm referring to. Cripes don't you know what you post? My thread should still be on BFF. I think our own JREF Dinogenes (Skeptical Greg on BFF) had one heck of a time with it and Drew couldn't get his left from his right straight. But be my guest dig through BFF. My 2nd photo has a red arrow to help Greg.

 

[Crowlogic]

What difference does it make? If Bob learned the walk from Patterson's coaching... then you have to ask why Roger would be teaching Bob how to do that.

If on the other hand, you don't think Bob walks like Patty at all, then just come right out and say it.

The difference it makes is whether Bob walks that way 24/7. Or does he go into character when the camera starts rolling. No I don't think Bob walks Patty perfect. Still to much knee lock and for the umpteenth time his arms should be longer. But tell you what, you get me some candid film of Bob walking to compare with his on camera performance and then the discussion can be had right and proper. Until then Bob has an act.

 

[LTC8K6]

You'd think that palms that were white enough to be overexposed when Patty herself is underexposed, would have been something Roger and Bob would have noticed...after all, they mentioned that the soles of her feet were light colored.

It's an interesting theory though. One would have to wonder why other light objects are correctly exposed.

 

[LTC8K6]

Here we can see the left "mitten", and it's not overexposed, nor is it very bright or white. It's a very odd looking hand.

 

[LTC8K6]

Good caps of the "mitten".

 

[Crowlogic]

Here we can see the left "mitten", and it's not overexposed, nor is it very bright or white. It's a very odd looking hand.

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LTC you've made an interesting gif out of those two frames. It shows that Patty's wrist turns as its swinging down from its forward most position. The palm is horizontal on the forward swing and has rotated to a more verticle position. So she wasn't moving like a marching wooden solider. So there's at least enough biology in play from somewhere to cause the rotation.