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stilicho said:
So in this case isn't it like Canadians I know calling Americans "Yankees"? It is considered derogatory but it's not objectively derogatory.
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There ain't no way that "Yankee" could ever be considered considered derogatory. In Connecticut there was a bunch called Swamp Yankees. The proud, the few, and the indigent, The onliest dumbfolk what ever thought Yankee was an insult were them crackers what lost the War Against Crackers.
 
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Yankees is an interesting one. In the US, southerners call northerners "yankees", which sort of means "ignorant city boy".
 
well...then again..we have the "damn yankees". the "damn" is purposefully added to "yankee"..which suggests that "yankee" alone is not a negative term.

hmmmm....

I think folks in New England...and New York City...are not as offended by the term "Yankee" as other Northerners might be. afterall, we got da NY Yankees. =)
 
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Bob, care to make a prediction about what library lady will find when she consults old Hebrew dictionaries?

What old dictionaries have you personally checked? Or is this information second hand?

Can you guide us to which dictionary might bear a copy of this incriminating definition. How about

Joseph Samuel C.F. Frey A Hebrew, Latin, and English, dictionary. 1815

Is that old enough? It pre dates the widespread dissemination of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
 
Well, I haven't been down to the basement yet, but the oldest Hebrew English dictionary I can find here in my department is from 1914: Student's Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary to the Old Testament, compiled by Alexander Harkavy. On page 82 under "gimel vuv yod" (sorry, don't have Hebrew script on this computer), I find the following definition:

Prop[erly] body, hence: nation, tribe, people, pl heathens, non-Jews, gentiles.

I have to take this poor book to the bindery now, it's falling apart. If this is not old enough, let me know and I'll brave the mold in the basement.
 
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So there we have it. Old Bob is mistaken. Goyim does not mean Cattle, and never has done.

The word Cattle is used as a metaphor for the gentiles in the Protocols.

From Protocol No 11
7. For what purpose then have we invented this whole policy and insinuated it into the minds of the GOY without giving them any chance to examine its underlying meaning? For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a roundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It is this which has served as the basis for our organization of SECRET MASONRY WHICH IS NOT KNOWN TO, AND AIMS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SO MUCH AS SUSPECTED BY, THESE "GOY" CATTLE, ATTRACTED BY US INTO THE "SHOW" ARMY OF MASONIC LODGES IN ORDER TO THROW DUST IN THE EYES OF THEIR FELLOWS.
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From Protocol No 15
8. And how far-seeing were our learned elders in ancient times when they said that to attain a serious end it behooves not to stop at any means or to count the victims sacrificed for the sake of that end .... We have not counted the victims of the seed of the GOY cattle, though we have sacrificed many of our own, but for that we have now already given them such a position on the earth as they could not even have dreamed of. The comparatively small numbers of the victims from the number of ours have preserved our nationality from destruction.
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From Protocol No 19
4. We have done our best, and I hope we have succeeded to obtain that the GOYIM should not arrive at this means of contending with sedition. It was for this reason that through the Press and in speeches, indirectly - in cleverly compiled school-books on history, we have advertised the martyrdom alleged to have been accredited by sedition-mongers for the idea of the commonweal. This advertisement has increased the contingent of liberals and has brought thousands of GOYIM into the ranks of our livestock cattle.
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But of course “the protocols” in no way reflects the attitudes of Jews I know. In fact “the protocols” has been well debunked as a hoax, so in all likelihood doesn’t reflect the attitude of any Jewish author either.

So Bob seeing the definition you offered wasn’t supported by either of the sources you cited, have you learnt something?

Do you want to offer an apology to the people here you accused of entering into a conspiracy to hide the original meaning of a word in their language?
 
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From LL's post: goy (pl) = heathens, non-Jews, gentiles

A lot like gaijin, it seems.

Now, Old Bob may see that "heathens" and read "heifers" so there we go, back to the cattle thing again.

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Old Bob said:
YDig a little deeper and you will find that the English language is copyright so you can only speak with permission in court.
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Goodness me. I had missed this the first time around.

So, tell me, Old Bob,....

who holds the copyright on the English language? (Copyrights are held by people and corporations, not by nations, races, or groups --- so it's literally not possible for "the Jews" to hold a copyright on anything.)

when was that copyright granted, and in what country?

similarly, when does that copyright expire?

which version of english has been copyrighted?

and, most importantly, where should I go to "dig a little deeper" and find this out?
 
drkitten said:
Goodness me. I had missed this the first time around.

So, tell me, Old Bob,....

who holds the copyright on the English language? (Copyrights are held by people and corporations, not by nations, races, or groups --- so it's literally not possible for "the Jews" to hold a copyright on anything.)

when was that copyright granted, and in what country?

similarly, when does that copyright expire?

which version of english has been copyrighted?

and, most importantly, where should I go to "dig a little deeper" and find this out?
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Copyrights aren't "granted," something is copyrighted the moment it's written. Which brings up another interesting question... who wrote the English language?

Although, I imagine, it would be public domain by now.
 
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tomwaits said:
Yankees is an interesting one. In the US, southerners call northerners "yankees", which sort of means "ignorant city boy".
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Here in the north, it used to mean anyone from New England. Now it's just a baseball team and something southerners call us.
 
lionking said:
How about answering some of the questions put to you, like Library Lady's?
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The word meaning changes were in old English and related to court words, as I said it's been at least 20 years since I was shown and I cannot recall detail. But from old to new the meanings were askew. As "Moderator lionking"loves to points out quite offen typing, spelling, is not my strongest trait, so remembering the words would not been a priority at that time of my life. I can only point the direction you have to find it yourselves. As for copyright of the language a clue would be George Washington pointing at the book and saying "The word" meaning it belongs to the elite. Remembering Jews and Masons are one at the top. Just look at the mix in the "White House" ranks,will Obama change the House name?
 
I was raised Jewish and I have to admit that in most cases, "goy" has a negative connotation, but it's usually said with a chuckle. I've never heard anyone use it in a truly bigoted way.

For example, if you go to a non-Jew's house and they have red and gold velvet wallpaper and gold lamps shaped like Greek goddesses with tasseled lampshades, you might call the decor "goyish". That's about as mean-spirited as it gets in my experience.

I bet moon1969 and Old Bob don't know any Jews personally.
 
Vic Vega said:
I was raised Jewish and I have to admit that in most cases, "goy" has a negative connotation, but it's usually said with a chuckle. I've never heard anyone use it in a truly bigoted way.



I bet moon1969 and Old Bob don't know any Jews personally.
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You just lost your bet. Both types good and bad. Not easy to deal with especially on property.
 
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