Have you ever been sexually assaulted?

[elemental]

Female, and at least once.

I was raped by a stranger while still a virgin at 15, and then had it attempted sexually assaulted, but not raped, at least a couple more times. Blech. I hate to remember all that.

 

[elemental]

Damn! I didn't realize how few posts I had, ****. /OT

 

[gdnp]

OK, men are bad because we have a dick, is that your point?

Just one? Who's turn is it to use it tonight?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

She said "assault", which is not necessarily "rape". But she seems to want to confuse the two in order to make men the only possible evildoers.

She starts the thread asking for examples of "sexual assault", which is very broad, and then asks for the very specific case of "adult women raping adult men".

You're so full of false assumptions, Pardalis. Too bad. It really interferes with your ability to communicate in the forum.

I've said very clearly what the reason for the poll was, more than once. Nothing in that reason said a thing about my assumptions of the results except

"I have no idea how common this really is."

and

"I've never found the claims 75% or 66% of women will be raped in their lifetimes to be plausible."

While I dislike your political views and find a lot of your posts needlessly negative toward me, I assure you I am no man hater. Quite the contrary. But excuse me if I find it a little hard to accept how a woman could physically force a man to have sex. The movie "Three in an Attic" comes to mind. Even that plot couldn't quite make the guy into a forcible rape victim as is being suggested here.

If one is so intoxicated one cannot resist, I would think an erection could certainly not be counted on.

 

[Dragoonster]

Male, no.

Other than child molesting which is being counted as rape/assault in this thread, could someone please tell me how an adult woman rapes an adult man?

Well, the woman could be stronger or more capable of subduing the man, for violent rape, or use a weapon to force his being tied up. Could rape him with an object, or if his body has given him an erection, use that in various ways.

For acquaintance rape, obviously everything that would apply to an adult man raping an adult woman would count for the opposite. So, putting "date rape" drug in his drink, or ignoring several times when he said "NO" while leading up to sex or during sex. His being too drunk to form consent, or being literally unconscious. Using a position of power (boss to a subordinate; grad teacher to student, etc.) to coerce or force compliance with threat of repercussion. Or the same with threat of physical violence. And so on.

 

[Meadmaker]

Other than child molesting which is being counted as rape/assault in this thread, could someone please tell me how an adult woman rapes an adult man? And how common could that possibly be compared to the other way around?

Threatens the man with bodily harm if he fails to do the deed. I have read of cases like that. i.e. "I've got a gun and if you don't......I'll shoot you."

However, the reason I even read the story in the first place was it fell in the "man bites dog" category of news.

(For those who may not be familiar with the idiom, the saying goes, "When a dog bites a man, that's not news. When a man bites a dog, that's news.")

 

[Kittyclaws]

Thirteen years ago I was involved in a female only spiritual group and it turned out of the 9 regular members, 6 had been sexually assaulted/raped. I was flabbergasted. That was the first time anyone I knew had been assaulted (I was 33 at the time).

This is going to be a horrendous assertion but if I managed to not get assaulted in all my years of drinking, drugging, hitchhiking, and going home with casual pick-ups, it's astounding to me that it seems to happen to others so often. I don't mean kids or young teens, of course, but apparently I lived a phenomenally fortunate life and/or never ran into the scum that others have. Consequently, I have limited understanding of what such an assault means to those who've experienced it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Threatens the man with bodily harm if he fails to do the deed. I have read of cases like that. i.e. "I've got a gun and if you don't......I'll shoot you."

So in this case where a woman would be more powerful than the man, managed to keep the gun aimed on him during the act, and of course the guy would need to have an erection, highly unlikely in those circumstances, it still has to be absurdly rare.

Sticking something up his bum is possible, but about as likely as serial women killers. They exist but are pretty rare compared to male serial killers.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thirteen years ago I was involved in a female only spiritual group and it turned out of the 9 regular members, 6 had been sexually assaulted/raped. I was flabbergasted. That was the first time anyone I knew had been assaulted (I was 33 at the time).

This is going to be a horrendous assertion but if I managed to not get assaulted in all my years of drinking, drugging, hitchhiking, and going home with casual pick-ups, it's astounding to me that it seems to happen to others so often. I don't mean kids or young teens, of course, but apparently I lived a phenomenally fortunate life and/or never ran into the scum that others have. Consequently, I have limited understanding of what such an assault means to those who've experienced it.

I'd say I had similar risk factors and considering I only experienced the one assault and two threatened date rapes I'm not surprised you had zero incidents.

 

[Kittyclaws]

I neglected to mention that I'm 5'10" and was a buxom, size 12 Amazon, back in the day.

 

[Pardalis]

While I dislike your political views and find a lot of your posts needlessly negative toward me, I assure you I am no man hater. Quite the contrary. But excuse me if I find it a little hard to accept how a woman could physically force a man to have sex. The movie "Three in an Attic" comes to mind. Even that plot couldn't quite make the guy into a forcible rape victim as is being suggested here.

Again, do you mean rape or sexual assault?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Again, do you mean rape or sexual assault?

Not everyone views groping as assault. On the continuum here I was more interested in the assault end of the spectrum than the harassment end.

What's your point?

 

[Pardalis]

Not everyone views groping as assault. On the continuum here I was more interested in the assault end of the spectrum than the harassment end.

What's your point?

I'm not talking about groping, there are different degrees of sexual assaults:.

A definition might be appropriate.

In most states, as in ours, there are a variety of crimes and levels of those crimes.

We have, at the lowest level, "sexual abuse". Sexual abuse includes inappropriate touching, groping, and so forth. It is divided into first, second, third degree.

Then there is "sexual assault", again in degrees.

And finally rape, which must by legal definition involve penetration. Rape may be aggravated by use of a weapon, or if accompanied by physical battery, and so forth.

ETA:
http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault

Sexual assault is a broader category that the Justice Department uses to classify rape, attempted rape, and other violent felonies that fall short of rape. Rape is defined as forced vaginal, oral, or anal penetration.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

If we are talking legal definitions of rape, then in England and Wales at least, it is impossible for a woman to rape someone, since the definition specifies that rape means forced penetration of the mouth, vagina or anus by the perpetrator's penis.

However, despite this, in rare circumstances women have been found guilty of rape:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/16/newsid_2521000/2521053.stm

Other convictions of women for rape outside the UK:

http://www.lasiksightplus.com/lasiknews8.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/apr/28/2

I really don't know if these cases are as rare as they seem, or whether there is more under-reporting.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

So in this case where a woman would be more powerful than the man, managed to keep the gun aimed on him during the act, and of course the guy would need to have an erection, highly unlikely in those circumstances, it still has to be absurdly rare.

Sticking something up his bum is possible, but about as likely as serial women killers. They exist but are pretty rare compared to male serial killers.

According to the Wiki article on rape:

The rape of women by men is by far the most frequent form of the assault, with an estimated 91% of rape victims being female and 9% being male while 99% of offenders are male.[1] In contrast, rape by women is a barely understood phenomenon that is widely denied in most societies and one that usually causes surprise, shock, or utter revulsion.[61]

You're not helping with your state of denial.

OK, this is sick:

In Scotland, rape is a gender-specific crime, meaning it can only be committed by males upon females. Oral, anal and male rape do not constitute rape, nor is digital penetration sufficient.[5]

Disgusting.

 

[The Man]

So in this case where a woman would be more powerful than the man, managed to keep the gun aimed on him during the act, and of course the guy would need to have an erection, highly unlikely in those circumstances, it still has to be absurdly rare.

Sticking something up his bum is possible, but about as likely as serial women killers. They exist but are pretty rare compared to male serial killers.

Well let’s not go off the deep end here by forgetting about a little matter of consent. Impairment generally denotes a lack of consent. Another situation I was in where we (different girl) were both quite drunk she proceeded to strip, jump on top of me and pull my clothes off. At which point she promptly proceeded to pass out. Both of us would probably have been consider to inebriated to consent but had something actually happened I might have wound up being accused of date rape when in fact I was not the instigator and no more capable of consent then she. Even if I was not saying no she obviously was not saying no but when we meet up again some time later she was not sure what had happened a was relived when I told her that nothing (really) had happen. Had that not been the case I could have found myself in trouble since the responsibility (by society) would have been mine to stop or stop her even when we were both technically unable to consent, so there is a double standard.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If we are talking legal definitions of rape, then in England and Wales at least, it is impossible for a woman to rape someone, since the definition specifies that rape means forced penetration of the mouth, vagina or anus by the perpetrator's penis.

However, despite this, in rare circumstances women have been found guilty of rape:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/16/newsid_2521000/2521053.stm

Other convictions of women for rape outside the UK:

http://www.lasiksightplus.com/lasiknews8.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/apr/28/2

I really don't know if these cases are as rare as they seem, or whether there is more under-reporting.

In the first BBC case the woman was guilty of helping hold a victim during a gang rape. The victim was female.

In the LasikBlog story I can't find any corroborating evidence. It's plausible but fake story also comes to mind. I couldn't find any Jefferson County Judge named Timothy Randall on a Google search except the one in the article. There are several Jefferson Counties in the US.

In the last link you have what I guess is about the only way this supposedly can happen, guy is asleep, wakes to woman having sex with him.

How do you not wake up sooner and how do you keep an erection if you truly are not consenting? "The Bergen district court also ordered her to pay 40,000 kroner (£3,340) in compensation," and one has to wonder how that played into his claim, "The man said the episode left him with insomnia and virtually no interest in sex. He also described it as a breach of trust that had crushed his faith in people."

 

[Pardalis]

In the first BBC case the woman was guilty of helping hold a victim during a gang rape. The victim was female.

Again, you dismiss an example of a woman sexual assault that dosn't fit your preconceived idea of rape.

What about Lynndie England? The victims were all male (again, we're talking about sexual assault).

Given the opportunity, women can be as violent and abusive.

In the LasikBlog story I can't find any corroborating evidence. It's plausible but fake story also comes to mind. I couldn't find any Jefferson County Judge named Timothy Randall on a Google search except the one in the article. There are several Jefferson Counties in the US.

Again, you're dismissing another case, on the grounds that it may be "faked"...

In the last link you have what I guess is about the only way this supposedly can happen, guy is asleep, wakes to woman having sex with him raping him.

Which is sexual assault and rape. Your choice of words is telling, you are downplaying it.

 

[Cainkane1]

When I was 11 a man fondled me through my pants. I was with a friend over at his Uncles house. The man was naked just out of the shower. I guess it should have bothered me but for some reason it didn't. I didn't like it but the memory doesn't bother me.

 

[Lonewulf]

How do you not wake up sooner and how do you keep an erection if you truly are not consenting? "The Bergen district court also ordered her to pay 40,000 kroner (£3,340) in compensation," and one has to wonder how that played into his claim, "The man said the episode left him with insomnia and virtually no interest in sex. He also described it as a breach of trust that had crushed his faith in people."

And did you see what he was wearing? He was SO asking for it!