What ELSE about Obama am I going to find out about?!

[Darth Rotor]

If he carries a US passport, that constitutes proof that he is a citizen. Since, as Upchurch noted, any naturalization would be of public record, and no such record exists, Obama is therefore proven to be a natural-born citizen--without having to file a single document for your review.

No, Cleon, that is not proof. It is alway possible for a screw up or a payoff to happen, though I consider the odds in this case to be remote to the point of absurd. Berg thinks he can pull this off. I think Berg is pissing up a tree, into the wind.

It is worth recalling that a Passport proves citizenship, not place of birth. Ahnold has a passport, but can't be President since he was born in Austria. It is possible that any papers on a naturalization case were lost, stolen, mishandled. Again, not betting on that. I am betting on Berg pissing into the wind.

DR

 

[Cleon]

If he carries a US passport, that constitutes proof that he is a citizen.

No, Cleon, that is not proof.
...

It is worth recalling that a Passport proves citizenship

Darth, if you're going to give a snide response to a month-old post, you should probably make up your mind about what you want to argue, first.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Darth, if you're going to give a snide response to a month-old post, you should probably make up your mind about what you want to argue, first.

To be crystal clear, Cleon: proof of citizenship is not proof of being born here, hence the reference to Ahnold, and why he can't be president under the constitution. Like I said, Berg thinks he'll find something with his fishing expidition, I don't. Why? Well, for one, Barak Obama, being trained as a lawyer, is smart enough to know what the Constitution says, and also smart enough to know how deeply people dig into public election and officials. I don't think he would have bothered with this whole rigamarole two years ago if he didn't qualify. That's a lot of people he'd be letting down, people helping him out, once that "troof" came out. I don't think he's that sort of guy.

DR

 

[Upchurch]

No, Cleon, that is not proof. It is alway possible for a screw up or a payoff to happen, though I consider the odds in this case to be remote to the point of absurd.

True, in the technical sense that nothing can be proven, only disproven. In that same sense, Obama's original 47 year old Hawaiian birth certificate in some filing cabinet that Berg is clamoring for would also not be proof. It could also always be a screw up or a payoff. A photograph of Obama's mother giving birth to him swaddled in a Hawaiian state flag in front of a Hawaiian landmark wouldn't be prof either.

In common vernacular, however, the odds of this being the case of these being faked or altered are so slight that it might as well be called "proof".

eta: The passport alone is not the proof being referred to. The passport with the lack of naturalization records is the "proof".

 

[Hokulele]

To be crystal clear, Cleon: proof of citizenship is not proof of being born here, hence the reference to Ahnold, and why he can't be president under the constitution.

You might want to read the second sentence you quoted, where Cleon indicates that since there is no record of naturalization, it is proof of birth. "Passport + Lack of Naturalization Records = Must Be a Natural Citizen" is how I read the argument, not "Passport = Must Be a Natural Citizen".

 

[Darth Rotor]

You might want to read the second sentence you quoted, where Cleon indicates that since there is no record of naturalization, it is proof of birth. "Passport + Lack of Naturalization Records = Must Be a Natural Citizen" is how I read the argument, not "Passport = Must Be a Natural Citizen".

No, Hok, not proof.

Lack of naturalization records does not prove anything, see the chances of things being lost, mishandled, etc. Again, very low odds, but you seem to be pretending something is what it isn't. Don't forget that people are involved. My Occam's Razor point above is all I needed to wonder at what Berg is really after . . . I am guessing attention.

DR

 

[Cleon]

To be crystal clear, Cleon: proof of citizenship is not proof of being born here,

Well, it's a good thing I didn't say it was, then.

 

[Tricky]

With all the mud they threw at Obama, no official Republican source ever made the claim that he wasn't a citizen or eligible to be President. That's about as close to "proof" as you're ever going to get. Call it "Proof by Palin".

 

[Darth Rotor]

With all the mud they threw at Obama, no official Republican source ever made the claim that he wasn't a citizen or eligible to be President. That's about as close to "proof" as you're ever going to get. Call it "Proof by Palin".

What are you dragging Eskimo Nell into this for? Did she claim Barak Obama isn't an American?

DR

 

[rwguinn]

oh iamme, here's something you're going to find out about obama: he's the president of the united states.

Only on/after January 20, 2009.
Not until then...
But as soon as the Electoral College has verified the people's choice, he will be President-elect.
As such, he has earned my respect--until he blows it.

 

[Oliver]

as soon as the Electoral College has verified the people's choice

Boy, does that sentence sound stupid.

 

[Lonewulf]

What are you dragging Eskimo Nell into this for? Did she claim Barak Obama isn't an American?

DR

Naw. Just pallin' around with terrorists...

Although she did seem to have an idea of who is "real America" and who isn't...

 

[ZouPrime]

What is YOUR explanation for the styles changes in Obamas writings?
*I* have done a lot of writing over the years. And when I go back and read stuff I wrote 30 some years ago, I still have the same style.

Pfff!! What a complete ******** statement. Of course style change! Especially if you compare someone first book with his subsequent. Especially for someone who isn't a professional writer to begin with!

Also, consider the fact that it is very, very probable that Obama didn't use the same editors for the two books. That alone could explain change in style. Again, this is especially true for an amateur.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Naw. Just pallin' around with terrorists...

Enjoyed that one.

Although she did seem to have an idea of who is "real America" and who isn't...

Standard political tripe.

On the other hand, with some of the money left over from her wardrobe warchest, she can buy him a fancy kilt, for a Christmas present, and remedy any problems of our new president being a Real American. He'll have the kilt to prove it! (Yes, I am betting the under . . . )

DR

 

[MaGZ]

With all the mud they threw at Obama, no official Republican source ever made the claim that he wasn't a citizen or eligible to be President. That's about as close to "proof" as you're ever going to get. Call it "Proof by Palin".

There were a lot of things the Republicans refused to reveal to the electorate about Obama. They just didn’t want to go there.

 

[Random]

There were a lot of things the Republicans refused to reveal to the electorate about Obama. They just didn’t want to go there.

Don't be silly. They pushed Ayers and Wright, they pushed the Resko silliness. If the GOP had anything that was actually real, the GOP would have pushed it...

 

[MaGZ]

Don't be silly. They pushed Ayers and Wright, they pushed the Resko silliness. If the GOP had anything that was actually real, the GOP would have pushed it...

Frank Marshall Davis was real.

 

[Tricky]

What are you dragging Eskimo Nell into this for? Did she claim Barak Obama isn't an American?

No. She didn't. She didn't mind calling him a socialist or hinting that his supporters weren't "real Americans" or bringing up connections with a guy who had been a member of the Weather Underground thirty-plus years ago, but she did NOT mention that Obama himself might not be an American. When even your attack dog won't attack, you gotta figure there's nothing worth attacking there. Yes, it's a negative proof, but that's what I mean by "proof by Palin". If she didn't go for it, then you'd have to be even more far right than her to do so. And that would take some doing.

 

[RandFan]

What is unbelievable is that the DNC would approve Obama's nomination without proof of US citizenship.

 

[KingMerv00]

Klaatu....Barada...Ni*cough cough*