Bali bombers to be executed possibly tomorrow

JI will probably try something. It seems to be in their DNA to do so.

There's now an official SmartTraveller warning out for Australians not to travel to Indonesia for the next few weeks, and especially not to Bali.
Summary


  • We advise you to reconsider your need to travel to Indonesia, including Bali, at this time due to the very high threat of terrorist attack.
  • If you do decide to travel to Indonesia, you should exercise extreme caution. We continue to receive reports indicating that terrorists are planning attacks against a range of targets, including Western interests and places frequented by foreigners.
  • There have been recent arrests of high level terrorist operatives in Indonesia, but we assess terrorists are continuing to plan attacks. These attacks could take place at any time, including in places frequented by foreigners. Previous terrorist attacks against Westerners in Bali and Jakarta indicate these areas are priority targets. You should take particular care to avoid places known to be terrorist targets. See the Terrorism section for details.
  • Australians should avoid all protests, demonstrations and rallies as they can turn violent. Australians should exercise a high level of vigilance and personal security awareness at all times.
  • The Indonesian Government announced on 24 October that the three individuals convicted for involvement in the 2002 Bali bombing would be executed in early November 2008.
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I want to visit Bali again because it is a beautiful place and also to show the terrorists they cannot ultimately win, but agree that it is probably wise to avoid it for a month or so.
 
I've not been to Bali too. But I'd like to go one day, although perhaps not to the tourist traps. The place looks remarkable in pictures and on TV...

My impression is the Balinese really don't like the JI or their ilk either - they have put huge dents in the island's livelihood for a start.

Btw, Bali is also home to YellowBamboo, the only self-defence martial art that causes your attacker to dissolve on the ground in tears of laughter. ;)
 
I was surprised to hear they weren't executed already, what was the hold up? I think countries like the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and the Kingdom of Australia should bring back the death penalty for murdering scum like those muslim three and stop sentencing thousands of defenceless unborn babies to death every day. Let the real criminals be executed, not the innocent.
 
XenonII said:
I was surprised to hear they weren't executed already, what was the hold up? I think countries like the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and the Kingdom of Australia should bring back the death penalty for murdering scum like those muslim three and stop sentencing thousands of defenceless unborn babies to death every day. Let the real criminals be executed, not the innocent.
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Well, let me explain.

1) Indonesia has written rule of law.

2) Indonesia applied its laws, openly, correctly and properly.

3) Indonesia law has sentenced these people to death.

4) The full gamut of the Indonesian law has been run. But it took time.

5) Punishment will now be imposed.


See, I know you are used to doing without all the intermediate steps in the process. I'm sure you would have been much happier just publicly lynching them as soon as they were caught. In Indonesia, that would have been a truly great result. There would have been no backlash, no consequences, no fuss, no worry. Smiles all round.

Yup. :rolleyes:
 
I am, on principle, against death penalty. Not that I'll shed a tear for these guys, though.

Hans
 
lionking said:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24596805-5005961,00.html

Despite people destined for paradise using every legal opportunity to delay their "reward", it looks like the Bali bombers will be soon executed.

I won't be sorry to see their passing, but I am interested in views, firstly on the executions and secondly on whether Jemaah Islamiyah is capable of any violent response.
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A reporter in the SMH said that their lawyers because the publicity was helping to portray them as martyrs.
 
I am ambivalent towards the principle of the death penalty. However, I think the danger of executing an innocent person is too great for me to support it in practice. I won't be shedding any tears for them though I am saddened when I think about what they could have been.
 
The bombers have been milking this from the martyr angle from the day they were caught. In fact, from before. The whole exercise was a suicide/martyr mission, just that the ending is some years after the bombing.

Personally, I would keep them alive and in purgatory, somewhere out of the public eye where they will not be rescued from and cannot escape. Then no martyrdom, no publicity, no 72 virgins for them. They should rot somewhere else instead...alive.

Perhaps I am in favour of the death penalty after all. Just that I would like to know it will take a lifetime of punishment first.
 
Good. I'm not big on revenge, but given the lasting injury they inflicted on the survivors and the relatives of those who died, a piece of me wishes they'd be executed via beheading with a dull butter knife.

Civilians should not suffer for political agendas...
 
I just wish they'd get it over with. I'm sick of seeing their faces all over the news.

For guys who want to die, they've sure tried hard to delay it.
 
For those who haven't, go to Bali when things settle down. The Balinese are remarkable people, almost all Hindu in the world's largest muslim country. We had the good fortune to go when our youngest child was only one. The Balinese (and Hindus?) believe that children come from god, and the younger they are, the closer to god. Baby Hannah got us past the enormous queue in Customs, and generally priority service wherever we went. There were times in shops when the shopkeeper took the baby from us and showed to their whole family. So take a baby if you can.

Sorry to me for derailing my own thread.
 
I just heard on the radio that the executions will not happen until Prince Charles leaves Indonesia later in the week. Strange country.
 
Damien Evans said:
I just wish they'd get it over with. I'm sick of seeing their faces all over the news.

For guys who want to die, they've sure tried hard to delay it.
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I totally agree. It must be awful for the families who lost loved ones to have to be reminded day after day.

lionking said:
For those who haven't, go to Bali when things settle down. The Balinese are remarkable people, almost all Hindu in the world's largest muslim country.
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Maybe TAM 9?:D
 
I gather the Balinese deplore the bombings and the bombers as much as we do. Many Balinese died then too, and the incident has put a huge dent in their economy and livelihoods as a result. They are trying to get it all back on track - many new resorts have been built in an effort to boost their business again. And it is a wonderful place, by all accounts. But these news reports and travel warnings do bite hard...
 
lionking said:
I won't be sorry to see their passing, but I am interested in views, firstly on the executions and secondly on whether Jemaah Islamiyah is capable of any violent response.
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I don't hold with the death penalty, yet feel quite indifferent to the fate of these murderers. I don't know what JI is yet capable of but don't believe the underlying ideology will disappear any time soon.

There's an interesting opinion piece on the ABC website from a former Australian journalist now resident in Bali:

[...] Among the Hindu Balinese, there is zero sympathy for the bombers and nil understanding of their motives. The widely held view is that they should have been dispatched a long time ago. Amrozi, Mukhlas and Samudra were sent to a jail in Java to await execution in part because their continued presence in Bali was an open invitation to potential lynch mobs.

The anger and outrage among the Balinese - who were also the most numerous victims of the 2002 Kuta bombing - must not be underestimated. The 2002 bombs and their reprise in similar but less deadly assaults in 2005 not only disturbed the "balance" of the community - the immutable focus of Balinese Hinduism - but also wrecked tourism and threw thousands out of work. Islamic jihad - if narrowly defined, as terrorists prefer, as actual war rather than the "struggle" posited in other Koranic references - has no relevance to the Balinese. They see its results at Ground Zero in Kuta and understand it, starkly, as an attack on themselves: on their culture, their future, and their island's economy.

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Indonesians - and specifically the Balinese - want to be rid of the problem represented by Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra and to move on.
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Magenta said:
Among the Hindu Balinese, there is zero sympathy for the bombers and nil understanding of their motives. The widely held view is that they should have been dispatched a long time ago. Amrozi, Mukhlas and Samudra were sent to a jail in Java to await execution in part because their continued presence in Bali was an open invitation to potential lynch mobs.
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Make me want to sing Kumbaya and go all Globalist, these folks do. :cool:

DR
 
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