NSA Document Flight 93 intercepted coming soon

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You really do not know how the Critic system works.


They are gathering information from several locations and probably listneing in on everythign going on.


If that's the case...what makes you think they're just going to turn over a document that says "yup, we shot down that airplane".


Also ...if this CRITIC trumps everything...if it says that they did NOT shoot down the airplane...are you going to believe that or assume that they are lying?
 
A Critic report is the highest intelligence report that intelligence agencies can issue. Being sent at Flash precedence, it overrides everything else on the net. A ground station would be unable to override the Critic. The Critic reaches its designated receiver within 10 minutes (often less)


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Why the need to cut and paste the words of someone else? Seems you need help to describe things that should be common knowledge as a super duper NSA MIB.
If you're NSA then I'm the Popes lovechild.

BV
 
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Why the need to cut and paste the words of someone else? Seems you need help to describe things that should be common knowledge as a super duper NSA MIB.
If you're NSA then I'm the Popes lovechild.

BV

What gave him away? Was it the omission of spelling errors or the inclusion of capitalization?

Seriously, ULTIMA1, you need to start citing your references. I'm sure, as an NSA intelligence analyst, you realize the how critical that is.
 
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Why the need to cut and paste the words of someone else? Seems you need help to describe things that should be common knowledge as a super duper NSA MIB.
If you're NSA then I'm the Popes lovechild.

BV

I knew it looked suspicious, there were no misspelled words.
 
If that's the case...what makes you think they're just going to turn over a document that says "yup, we shot down that airplane".?

Becasue i have requested a declassified copy and they have responded that they will send it.
 
Sorry to say but an NSA Critic trumps everything.


A Critic is not primary evidence. It is a report on intercepted communication. All it proves is that the communication contained actually occurred. Therefore it is only relevant in proving a communication existed.

Even if you had a CRITIC of an intercepted radio order to shoot down UA93 it would still not prove UA93 was shot down, and the radar data, FDR data, and other data would still trump it.

All it would prove is that a communication occurred in which UA93 was ordered shot down.

This is a staggeringly fundamental and obvious fact.


Remember KAL Flight 007, the airliner that the Russian MIG shot down?

Well it was NSA that intercepted the radio traffic from the plane to ground control. They listened to everything going on between the pilot and ground control. Everything including the orders to shoot down the plane and the missile launch.

And if radar data, CVR and FDR data, and other primary evidence all indicated that KAL007 had not been shot down and no MiGs had been anywhere near it when it crashed, those NSA intercepts would be as meaningless as the one you claim exists for UA93.

If you cannot comprehend the difference between a physical event occurring, and radio traffic referring to a physical event, you really don't understand why you're so utterly wrong.
 
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Why the need to cut and paste the words of someone else? Seems you need help to describe things that should be common knowledge as a super duper NSA MIB.
If you're NSA then I'm the Popes lovechild.

BV

Good catch. The lack of typos was a big tip off.
 
Even if you had a CRITIC of an intercepted radio order to shoot down UA93 it would still not prove UA93 was shot down,

So your saying even if they intercepted the fighters calling in stating they had intercepted the plane you would not beleive it was intercepted?

those NSA intercepts would be as meaningless as the one you claim exists for UA93..

So you saying even though they listened to everything going on and had it on tape you would still not beleive it happened?
 
Hopefully when your suspension is up the documents you requested will have arrived and we can discuss them, rather than speculate about what they might contain.
 
So they declassified this vapor documents that proves they were part of a criminal act? What would be the motivation for an organization to declassify something that proves them guilty?
 
So they declassified this vapor documents that proves they were part of a criminal act? What would be the motivation for an organization to declassify something that proves them guilty?

The Cosmic Muffin will strike them dead if they lie under oath?
There is a bizzarre certainty among most truthers that a person will lie like hell under normal circumstances, but make them swear, avow, or affirm that they will not lie turns them into the Ideal Boy Scout.
A document obtained under the FOIA is absolutely trustworthy, as it is original and has never, ever, been manipulated, whereas, if it is merely released to the press, it is either 1) a Lie, or 2) The truth, but manipulated by the press into a lie. We'll never know if we don't obtain it ourselves!
 
Hopefully when your suspension is up the documents you requested will have arrived and we can discuss them, rather than speculate about what they might contain.

At the rate ULTIMA's being suspended, we might never get these document(s). Good thing we have 16.5 asking for the same document(s).
 
Hopefully when your suspension is up the documents you requested will have arrived and we can discuss them, rather than speculate about what they might contain.

I ended up sending my own FOIA, so whatever he gets, I'll get and post
 
Originally Posted by nicepants
If that's the case...what makes you think they're just going to turn over a document that says "yup, we shot down that airplane".?
Becasue i have requested a declassified copy and they have responded that they will send it.

Becasue i requested a declassified copy through FOIA and they responded.

That hardly answers the question U1.
Try again, why would the NSA, supposedly at least in some small way involved in the allegded 911 attacks, allow you to see docuementation that directly contradicts one major 'official' aspect of the events of 9/11/01?

'because I asked for it and they said they'd send me something' does not cut it pal.

police officer: I know you have a video camera. If you have video of yourself murdering the victim I'd like to see it.
suspect: ya got me. yeah I have a DVD of it and I'll make you a copy.
 
Does Ultima think he will get the following sent to him
Dr Ultima,
Ok OK man stop sending all those emails.
WE DID IT!
OK you busted us!
Its all true!
Sincerely,
The NWO
 
So your saying even if they intercepted the fighters calling in stating they had intercepted the plane you would not beleive it was intercepted?

No I wouldn't. Because it wasn't. All it would prove is the NSA intercepted a radio communication from someone claiming to be a fighter pilot that intercepted an airliner they claimed was UA93.

As I've already pointed out, radar evidence trumps radio communications. No fighters were in its vicinity at the time of its crash.


So you saying even though they listened to everything going on and had it on tape you would still not beleive it happened?

If the CVR data, FDR data, radar data, eyewitness reports, debris field, and all other evidence all indicated that KAL007 had not been shot down, no, the NSA intercepts would not convince me that it had been shot down.

However, in conjunction with CVR data, FDR data, radar data, eye witness reports, Russian-released radio communications, and forensic examination of wreckage, the NSA intercepts support the fact that KAL007 was shot down.

You seem incapable of grasping this very basic fact. You determine what happened by assessing all of the evidence collectively and deciding on the sequence of events that best fits all of the evidence. It is not a case of selecting whatever arbitrary piece of evidence you like, and then ignoring every other piece of evidence that refutes it.

Simply put, the following evidence indicates UA93 was not intercepted or shot down, but that a passenger revolt forced the hijackers to crash the aircraft into the ground:
1) FDR
2) CVR
3) Debris field
4) Radar Data
5) ATC/FAA Recordings and records
6) NORAD recordings and records
7) Witness testimony
8) Passenger phone calls
9) USSS testimony and records
10) USAF testimony and records

These, collectively, provide a preponderance of evidence in support of the "official" account. The NSA CRITIC you describe, assuming it indeed says what you claim it says, would not undermine this collection of evidence.
 
16.5-Just wanted to follow up and see if you'd received what Ultima had requested. Any new info?
 
Same here. I completely forgot this thread existed until Sabrina raised it from the depths.

Might we get something before Christmas?
 
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