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McCain, the Slaveholder

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Oliver

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So since - as we know from the McCain Campaign - it isn't about Obama's
race anyway, let's actually start to talk about race and the McCain's:

Initially, back when he first was doing the "Maverick" schtick in the 2000 primaries, he actually denied that the aristocratic Southerners from whom he was descended were slaveholders. But it really became impossible for McCain to deny their existence after a 2000 report in Salon in the course of which reporters showed him photographs and birth records in person and he had to concede to their existence. One account, In the South Florida Times, describes how McCain has handled the connection publicly and privately.

Source: McCain's black family ties touch on the GOP's racial faultline
Video: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/cnn_nr_mccain_racial_reunion_081020b.wmv?mid=6623
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http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mccains-black-family-ties-touch-gops
 
Are you implying that McCain is a racist because his great-great grandfather had owned slaves?

Do you think anyone should be held responsible to the actions of his ancestors?
 
Doctor Evil said:
Are you implying that McCain is a racist because his great-great grandfather had owned slaves?

Do you think anyone should be held responsible to the actions of his ancestors?
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No and no. But since McCain himself denies the connection, as being
said in the Video, then it is indeed a good question, why McCain don't
want to go there, in contrast to his own brother.
 
Oliver, why must you bring up these idiotic red herrings?

Do you think that people are responsible for the sins of their anscestors or relations?

You are as bad as Jerome da Gnome.
 
Puppycow said:
Oliver, why must you bring up these idiotic red herrings?

Do you think that people are responsible for the sins of their anscestors or relations?

You are as bad as Jerome da Gnome.
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That's not the point. The point is why McCain denies it.

From the OP's article:

"White and black members of the McCain family have met on the plantation several times over the last 15 years, but one invited guest has been conspicuously absent: Sen. John Sidney McCain."

Since Ayers, it's fair game to ask: Who is John Mc Cain?
 
Uh, no. Its not the same. One is a partnership that a grown man knowingly forged (what Obama knew about Ayers and how much they had to do with each other is another question). The other is someone whose grand parents weren't even born when the events in question took place.

So, unless you are going to personally apologize for the Holocaust and 2 world wars, I see no reason for you to harp on this.

By the way, thanks for confirming why I had you on ignore.
 
As a supporter of Barak Obama, I think its best if we not get into such stupid issues. Slavery in the USA is a very emotional issue and we can't hold John responsible for the actions of his great-great grandparents, anymore then we can hold Oliver accountable for the actions of his grandparents.

We can win by attacking McCain at his Achiles Heel........her name is Sarah Palin.
 
parky76 said:
As a supporter of Barak Obama, I think its best if we not get into such stupid issues. Slavery in the USA is a very emotional issue and we can't hold John responsible for the actions of his great-great grandparents, anymore then we can hold Oliver accountable for the actions of his grandparents.

We can win by attacking McCain at his Achiles Heel........her name is Sarah Palin.
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Uhm, my Grandparents didn't have slaves - nor did they live or vote in
Germany until the War was over. Anyway: The US- and UK Media brought
this issue up, so I think we can discuss this topic in here as well.

So why does John McCain circumvent this issue?

Here's more: Telegraph: McCain 'slaves' for Obama

 
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Oliver said:
No, it's a thread about McCain denying the people that once
used to be the family slaves. No big deal.
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I'm sure that's the case for alot of American families, and I'm sure 99% of the population doesn't care and won't hold it against him.
 
Pardalis said:
I'm sure that's the case for alot of American families, and I'm sure 99% of the population doesn't care and won't hold it against him.
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So if it's no big deal - what does it say about a presidential candidate
denying the ugly family history, in contrast to his own brother? Doesn't
sound that heroic to me.

What do you think is the reason for his denial?
 
Pardalis said:
It's irrelevant.
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For you, maybe. For me it's a quite interesting clue about "Who McCain is",
not to mention that Afro-Americans might completely disagree with your
level of relevance.
 
Oliver said:
No, it's a thread about McCain denying the people that once
used to be the family slaves. No big deal.
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I'm an Obama supporter, too, but can't we hit McCain on actual issues? This smacks of a Bill Ayers-style Talking Point of Distraction. Lots of white people owned slaves hundreds of years ago; lots of Americans are getting reemed under this economy right now. Would it really matter to you (or affect anything) if he apologized for slavery?
 
halfempty said:
I'm an Obama supporter, too, but can't we hit McCain on actual issues? This smacks of a Bill Ayers-style Talking Point of Distraction. Lots of white people owned slaves hundreds of years ago; lots of Americans are getting reemed under this economy right now. Would it really matter to you (or affect anything) if he apologized for slavery?
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Nobody said he should apologize. But being a decent man, I would
suspect that he wouldn't deny it. Anyway, I found it to be an interesting
topic in times of [quote:] "Who is this the real ..... ?".

But I agree: It is another distraction from the issues.
 
For the record, Barack Obama is also descended from slaveowners.

Mr. Obama is the American-born son of a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya. The genealogists, led by William Addams Reitwiesner, studied the family history of Mr. Obama’s mother and determined that Mr. Obama’s great-great-great-great grandfather, George Washington Overall, owned two slaves listed in the 1850 census in Nelson County, Ky.
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Oliver said:
McCain, the Slaveholder
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You are a liar. Your post title is a blatant lie. Slavery was banned in the US back in the 1800's. McCain does not hold slaves.

Now, McCain has any number of bits and pieces wrong with him. Being pro slavery is not one of them.

As parky pointed out, there are more useful ways to critique Senator McCain that being a liar.

So, Oliver, stop lying, you liar.

Parky: I am glad you and I can agree now and again, as much as I give you the red arse.

DR
 
Yeah, I see what you mean. I guess I just don't care about all the identity questions. I feel like I know as much as I need to about Obama and McCain already, especially since this has been the never-ending election. I'm over them (especially Obama) having to apologize and account for personal relationships/history when it's just not that important to me. I'm a here and now kinda gal.
 
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