Merged Colin Powell to endorse Obama on Meet the Press?

[ZenFountain]

Thanks for confirming that Powell needed to be forgiven by libs for his "sin." But for true forgiveness to be granted, doesn't Powell have to take responsibility for his actions and not play the victim game?

My post was somewhat sarcastic as I don't consider myself liberal, more a centrist, buy hey that's moonbat land these days right?

All I'm going to say about Powell is that I have always respected him, even in heat of the Bush administration when many labeled him sellout or just another Bushie. It speaks volumes that Obama courted him with a visit and half a dozen lengthy phone calls while McCain hasn't spoken to him in over a year, a member of his own party and someone who McCain agreed with on the desperate need for change of policy in postwar Iraq. Powell isn't exactly a hero of the left and it only confirms my belief that Obama will govern as pragmatic centrist that isn't dogged by ideology .

 

[Dragoonster]

Just caught the Meet the Press repeat. My opinion of Powell hasn't changed. He has poor judgement, overvalues loyalty, and is unwilling to commit to something until the outcome no longer matters.

Still, good news for Obama.

If only whites were as loyal to their race as blacks are (and are allowed to be) to theirs. McCain would win with a landslide. Whites have lost their racial consciousness.

I think mine's underneath a couch cushion. I'll probably find it again when I need laundry change, but that might be after the election. Sorry.

 

[leftysergeant]

After all, according to the lamestream media, a white Democrat whose planning to vote for McCain is a racist, so what does that make this Uncle Tom Colin Powell? TNB if you ask me!

The only reason a white Democrat would votew for a hot-heasded lame-brain who would probably knock W out of his seat as the worst POTUS in the last hundred years is because he doesn't want to vote for a black dude.

Powell's endorsement of Obama is probably due to the fact that Powell is a soldier and a damned sharp one and he knows that McCain is not fit for command because of his personality disorders and lack of understanding of basic military strategy.

It is racist to claim that being black is an essential determinant in a person's capabilities, or that one race is in any way bound to vote for people of their own kind. White or black, no rational person votes for a known lunatic, else we would have had blacks joining the GOP to elect Alan Keyes.

 

[Cuddles]

Threads merged. Apologies for any confusion this causes from mixing posts up.

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[Dr Adequate]

In order for Powell to be forgiven by libs, they had to beleive he was "duped" into pointing to trucks supposedly containing WOMD's, but in fact, contained porta potties. Thanks for confirming that Powell needed to be forgiven by libs for his "sin." But for true forgiveness to be granted, doesn't Powell have to take responsibility for his actions and not play the victim game?

Colin Powell in 2005:

It was Powell who told the United Nations and the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and posed an imminent threat. He told Walters that he feels "terrible" about the claims he made in that now-infamous address -- assertions that later proved to be false.

When asked if he feels it has tarnished his reputation, he said, "Of course it will. It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now."​

As for your dreary whining about "libs", you could leave it out of your posts without reducing their information content. A time-saving hint.

 

[chipmunk stew]

George Will, Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, and other members of the conservative establishment, agree with XenonII that Powell's endorsement was race-based:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/limbaugh-george-will-powe_n_135968.html

I wonder how they feel about white conservatives who have turned around and endorsed Obama. Hell, George Will practically endorsed him himself.

 

[joobz]

Xenon II helped confirm my only thought when I saw Powell's endorsement. "Great. We'll now have more racists claiming the blacks are sticking together."

At least this will function at routing out that thought and expose it's shallowness.


I'm just wondering if any more mainstream current of McCain's Campaign will pick up this argument.

 

[DavidJames]

I'm just wondering if any more mainstream current of McCain's Campaign will pick up this argument.

Thanks - I was thinking the same thing.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Xenon II helped confirm my only thought when I saw Powell's endorsement. "Great. We'll now have more racists claiming the blacks are sticking together."

At least this will function at routing out that thought and expose it's shallowness.

I'm just wondering if any more mainstream current of McCain's Campaign will pick up this argument.

Thanks - I was thinking the same thing.

Well isn't that exactly what's happening? Blacks are sticking together? Who would expect that black Republicans would jump ship to support a Democratic Black running for President? Is it too much to ask Republicans who are black to show some loyality to the party like we expect no less from white Republicans? I don't think white Republicans are abandoning the party to vote for Obama? It's not just the blacks that are sticking together, even the mulattoes are getting in on the act, Powell being a fellow mulatto.

No. He gave a lot of non-racial reasons for supporting Obama. None of which seemed false.

Which others have done so? And what were their reasons?

Loyalty isn't to the party, but to the country. If a person feels that a candidate of another party is better, then they should vote for that person. From Powell's statements, it was clear that he viewed the direction the republican party was taking was exactly opposite of what the country needed. As such, he supported Obama.

Are you so sure? http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/gopendorse/

Out of curiosity, how many generations removed from a black ancestor must one be before they are "no longer black"?

Several prominent conservatives appear to agree with XenonII that this was a race-based endorsement:

George Will, Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh, and other members of the conservative establishment, agree with XenonII that Powell's endorsement was race-based:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/limbaugh-george-will-powe_n_135968.html

I wonder how they feel about white conservatives who have turned around and endorsed Obama. Hell, George Will practically endorsed him himself.

What's ironic is that Powell cited in his endorsement many of the very same arguments for Obama and against McCain that other conservatives have: Buckley, Noonan, Brooks, and Will himself, for example--all white.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Here's another conservative who agrees with XenonII:

The only reasonable explanation for such a public political "about-face" in the midst of this important election is that Colin Powell, perhaps understandably, wishes to see someone who looks like himself in the White House.

You can see the charming image of Colin Powell as Benedict Arnold here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/20/powell-arnold/

 

[DavidJames]

Here's another conservative who agrees with XenonII:

You can see the charming image of Colin Powell as Benedict Arnold here:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/20/powell-arnold/

We can bring in outside opinions from all ends the crazy sides of spectrum. My preference is to hear what McCain supporters on this board have to say. After all, this is a forum for skeptics and critical thinkers right

 

[chipmunk stew]

We can bring in outside opinions from all ends the crazy sides of spectrum. My preference is to hear what McCain supporters on this board have to say. After, this is a forum for skeptics and critical thinkers right

This was a follow-up to my other post, in response to inquiries, showing that the view that Powell's endorsement was primarily race-based is a mainstream conservative view, even among prominent conservatives. See upthread.

 

[BenBurch]

The new rumor (and this one is dubious in the extreme) is that Condi Rice will endorse. I'll believe that when I see it in the Tribune.

 

[DavidJames]

The new rumor (and this one is dubious in the extreme) is that Condi Rice will endorse. I'll believe that when I see it in the Tribune.

Yeah, her and Alan Keyes have a press conference scheduled.

I don't think so.

 

[Jimbo07]

The new rumor (and this one is dubious in the extreme) is that Condi Rice will endorse. I'll believe that when I see it in the Tribune.

It's the new Repub strategy. It will be the kiss of death for his campaign, when G.W. Bush finally endorses Obama!

 

[BenBurch]

Yeah, her and Alan Keyes have a press conference scheduled.

I don't think so.

I think Keyes is pretty much the Anti-Condi. If they shook hands there would be a cataclysmic explosion as they annihilated each other.

 

[joobz]

Several prominent conservatives appear to agree with XenonII that this was a race-based endorsement:

What's ironic is that Powell cited in his endorsement many of the very same arguments for Obama and against McCain that other conservatives have: Buckley, Noonan, Brooks, and Will himself, for example--all white.

the argument (that it's only because he's black) exposes a rather low opinion that a person would have regarding a black person's intellect. The entire argument Powell presented was clear and rational. It's one(as you said) other's have already used. Yet, when Powell uses it, it must not be the "real" reason. That Black people only base things on race. It's simply an insult.

It's very similar to when Palin was announced as VP. When feminists derided Palin on her poltical stances and views, we had a number of conservative pundits claiming that this was wrong. That if feminists were really pro-woman, they should vote for Palin since she is a woman. However, why would a feminist vote for a woman who didn't share thier same feminist views.



I get the feeling that conservatives still don't get what it means to be liberal. They've bought too hard into the stereotypes that repubs have painted and haven't considered why liberals are liberal. They've created a strawman and continue to avoid the reality.

 

[BenBurch]

It's the new Repub strategy. It will be the kiss of death for his campaign, when G.W. Bush finally endorses Obama!

LOL!

 

[Nyarlathotep]

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I get the feeling that conservatives still don't get what it means to be liberal. They've bought too hard into the stereotypes that repubs have painted and haven't considered why liberals are liberal. They've created a strawman and continue to avoid the reality.

The Strawman Political exists on both sides of the aisle and (the source of my link aside) isn't confined to TV, Movies, etc, but instead lives on in the hearts and minds of a goodly chunk of the citizenry.

 

[jj]

My, my. Powell got over the republican bongwater, and now look at how they treat their former hero.

For simply telling the truth, Powell is to be vilified, falsely accused, dragged through the mud, and probably worse by election time.

And why? Because he dared to speak his concience on this election.

As far as I'm concerned, the Powell bashers need to consider their own perfidy. (That goes for both sides of them)