Deeper than primes

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I can only surmise you've given this link to draw our attention to this quote of Matt Grime:
then why do you keep sending me unsolicited emails with you pet theories in them if you do not wish me to comment upon them.
Sounds familiar?

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Your reaction is a tacit acknowledgement that this is indeed the case you were referring to. It is now easy for everyone to see that you've grossly distorted this case in your description here. Matt did give an accurate picture of your mathematical capabilities, and he didn't follow you to "any" forum: I've only seen both your handles on physicsforums.com and SFN - unless you've posted on other fora also with one of the many handles you've used on physicsforums.com ("Organic", "WWW", "Shemesh", "Lama") and every time was banned with.
 
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Ah, great! You are still here, doron.

Ok, so please name one branch of Mathematics that is disconnected from any other branch.

Please provide a single, interesting MAF example in the form *_*_* (or *_* or *_*_*_* or ...). Be complete by being specific as to what element the asterisk represents and what relation the underbar represents.

Remember, there were claims you made you haven't yet backed up with evidence. Surely, if the claims were true, you'd be able to support them.
 
MattGrime said:
then why do you keep sending me unsolicited emails with you pet theories in them if you do not wish me to comment upon them.
Hope, what a beautiful illness.


Dear Apathia,

This is exactly the problem here.

More you are a mathematician (based only on Western oriented culture) less you are able to get my ideas.

The same problem holds if you are based only on Eastern oriented culture.

My ideas hold as long as East and West complement each other.

Yours,

Doron
 
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He has also always been quite careless in hiding his private information. Who would have found his employer if he had only mentioned it in one IIDB thread and not in various forum profiles? And I've discovered even more sensitive information from just googling. (I don't mention what, and hope Doron realizes what I mean before someone malicious finds out.

Bump.

Oh, and for who wants a good laugh another Doron thread title: A proof that |R| < c.
 
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I've only seen both your handles on physicsforums.com and SFN - unless you've posted on other fora also with one of the many handles you've used on physicsforums.com ("Organic", "WWW", "Shemesh", "Lama") and every time was banned with.

About Doron's handles:

Doron is probably a native Hebrew speaker. Non-speakers might be interested ot know "Shemes" means "sun" and "Lama" means "why?".

Apparently Doron sees himself as shining sun of reason and truth in the world of mathematics, explaining to everybody else why things are (he wrongly believes) not going well.
 
Doron's problem is that he doesn't seem to undestand that concepts are not the same as the symbols, or the words, used to represent them.

E.g., he thinks that 0.2222222222.... in base 3 and 1 are different numbers, presumably because they are written differently. On the other hand, he thinks the x-axis in the plane (in Geometry) and the set R (in Calculus) are identical, since they are often referred to in similar words. He also, it seems, thinks that the term "infinity" as used in calculus (e.g., in the definition of a limit) and in set theory (e.g., in describing a set's cardinality) means the same thing in both fields.

No wonder he is confused about what is going on in mathematics, or thinks that mathematical subfields don't communicate with each other, or that he wants to invent a new notation where every term means exactly one thing.
 
Doron's problem is that he doesn't seem to undestand that concepts are not the same as the symbols, or the words, used to represent them.

E.g., he thinks that 0.2222222222.... in base 3 and 1 are different numbers, presumably because they are written differently. On the other hand, he thinks the x-axis in the plane (in Geometry) and the set R (in Calculus) are identical, since they are often referred to in similar words. He also, it seems, thinks that the term "infinity" as used in calculus (e.g., in the definition of a limit) and in set theory (e.g., in describing a set's cardinality) means the same thing in both fields.

No wonder he is confused about what is going on in mathematics, or thinks that mathematical subfields don't communicate with each other, or that he wants to invent a new notation where every term means exactly one thing.


Conflate may have more precise connotations than confuse, I think. For example, in the link ddt provided, Doron disparately wants points and real numbers to be the same thing. That gets him to his {.} notation. Then, he conflates sets with set members, referring to {.} as a member. Then he conflates set cardinality with set membership while at the same time conflating the general with the specific by concluding that since |{.}| = 1, {.} must represent the real number, 1. Then he conflates....
 
Sometimes he tries an old OP again in a different forum. "Deeper than primes" had its premiere on IIDB, 2005-08-04. And "A hidden assumption" premiered on Science Chat Forum, 2007-08-03 (release on JREF: 2008-03-16).

Talking of which, despite having had over a year to perfect the OP, he still had to edit it after posting :)
 
Talking of which, despite having had over a year to perfect the OP, he still had to edit it after posting :)


The one he posted here was worse than the original. At least in the original, it was clearer the elements of the multi-sets were meant to be summed.
 
Doron,
now you're back, any update on what the A in MAF stands for?
 
nvm

My policy of reading this thread in three or four-day chunks for maximum enjoyment has paid off bigtime today (reading from Oct 14th). All in one big hit I have had -

Talking fish.
Doron "reports" a post by nominating it for TLA.
Doron leaves.
Doron comes back again.
In the Doronverse signing-up at a forum five months before Doron equates to "follow after me to any forum that I wrote something in it".

I take it I'm too late for the corndogs?
 
Talking of which, despite having had over a year to perfect the OP, he still had to edit it after posting :)

The "Deeper than primes" thing? The IIDB version is 3 years old and quite different, but he posted the same thing a month earlier at CFI. So yes, still surprising he had to edit the thing after posting. :p

The one he posted here was worse than the original. At least in the original, it was clearer the elements of the multi-sets were meant to be summed.

The IIDB version is substantially different. And his concept of "Equation Tree" is kinda cute - I did CS as graduate studies after all :). Too bad he didn't work that out. Not that it would be something revolutionary, not even new, but it would be the kind of thing that is fun and doable to work out on your own.
 
Doron is probably a native Hebrew speaker. Non-speakers might be interested ot know "Shemes" means "sun" and "Lama" means "why?".

Apparently Doron sees himself as shining sun of reason and truth in the world of mathematics, explaining to everybody else why things are (he wrongly believes) not going well.

Thanks for the clarification, Skeptic!

Could you also clarify what this Hebrew wiki page is about? It seems to be some kind of talk page or discussion page where Doron discusses with other wiki-members. I see some stuff in Latin letters I recognize from Doron papers, and Google translate revealed some discussion about Hilbert's 6th problem, but I've no idea what (Hebrew) wiki page(s) Doron wanted to include this stuff in.
 
If Math is an organism (As Hilbert clearly said), then there must be a common base ground (I call it Minimal Accepted Form) used as the trunk of these different branches.

Without this Trunk\Branches interaction, Hilbert's "Organic Unity" does not hold.
This has probably been stated here before but doronshadmi seems to be obsessed with the conclusion of the following lecture by David Hilbert on mathematical problems (doronshadmi should note that the subject is not 'problems with mathematics').

In this conclusion David Hilbert describes mathematical science as an organism and uses the phrase 'organic unity'. This is a description only. It is not a specification of mathematics.

Mathematical Problems
Lecture delivered before the International Congress of Mathematicians at Paris in 1900
By Professor David Hilbert

The problems mentioned are merely samples of problems, yet they will suffice to show how rich, how manifold and how extensive the mathematical science of today is, and the question is urged upon us whether mathematics is doomed to the fate of those other sciences that have split up into separate branches, whose representatives scarcely understand one another and whose connection becomes ever more loose. I do not believe this nor wish it. Mathematical science is in my opinion an indivisible whole, an organism whose vitality is conditioned upon the connection of its parts. For with all the variety of mathematical knowledge, we are still clearly conscious of the similarity of the logical devices, the relationship of the ideas in mathematics as a whole and the numerous analogies in its different departments. We also notice that, the farther a mathematical theory is developed, the more harmoniously and uniformly does its construction proceed, and unsuspected relations are disclosed between hitherto separate branches of the science. So it happens that, with the extension of mathematics, its organic character is not lost but only manifests itself the more clearly.
But, we ask, with the extension of mathematical knowledge will it not finally become impossible for the single investigator to embrace all departments of this knowledge? In answer let me point out how thoroughly it is ingrained in mathematical science that every real advance goes hand in hand with the invention of sharper tools and simpler methods which at the same time assist in understanding earlier theories and cast aside older more complicated developments. It is therefore possible for the individual investigator, when he makes these sharper tools and simpler methods his own, to find his way more easily in the various branches of mathematics than is possible in any other science. The organic unity of mathematics is inherent in the nature of this science, for mathematics is the foundation of all exact knowledge of natural phenomena. That it may completely fulfil this high mission, may the new century bring it gifted masters and many zealous and enthusiastic disciples!
 
Thanks for the clarification, Skeptic!

Could you also clarify what this Hebrew wiki page is about?

The short version is:

1). Doron wants to use wikipedia's "discussion" pages as a free-for-all discussion forum.

2). Others tell him that while there's more leeway allowed in wikipedia's discussion forums than in the entries themselves, it isn't really the place for a free-for-all discussion or "tentative results" (their polite term for "whatever the heck you're babbling about") but rather for established results.

3). Doron demands that they show him exactly where it says that he cannot use wikipedia's discussion forums in such a manner.

4). He then posts his usual gibberish, and demands everybody show exactly what is wrong with it.

5). Others complain that, in two days, he made about 50 edits of two entries ("The Lair's Paradox" and "Godel", I believe) "most of them trivial" and ask him to PLEASE use the "preview" button instead of posting and then changing the posts later, since "that makes our job harder".

6). Then the discussion, quite suddenly, veer away from mathematics to theology: they begin to discuss how logical the hypothesis that God exists is. A few gems:

a). The title of the "does God exist?" thread is actually "On the big Bang, Atheism, and Onions."

b). Doron and another poster spend most of the time discussing the onions: do they have a core, or an infinite number of layers? Onions are used as a metaphor for two ways to look at reality, one with a first cause (theism's God as a cause), the other as better and better natural explanations without a first cause (atheism).

c). Doron claims the onions have both a core and an infinite number of layers, because he had discovered classical two-valued logic is wrong.

d). He writes long-winded gibberish about theology as well as about mathematics (Cranks are very prolific in their gibberish). Example paragraph (they all are of the same kind):

"When there's a dichotomy between the cooperation field and the expression field, consciousness, which is locked under the impressions of the expression field, understands the cooperation field (the unity aspect of consciousness) as the creator of the expression field (the multiplicity aspect of the consciousness)."

It doesn't make any sense in Hebrew, either. Crank works have one advantage: they don't really lose anything in translation.

e). Doron asks another poster angrily during that discussion: "are you going to listen to facts, or are you just going to use the form to spew your own theories?" :eek: :faint:
 
"When there's a dichotomy between the cooperation field and the expression field, consciousness, which is locked under the impressions of the expression field, understands the cooperation field (the unity aspect of consciousness) as the creator of the expression field (the multiplicity aspect of the consciousness)."
No.

Coordination field (trunk), Expression field (branches) ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4125070&postcount=505 ).
 
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